Is my host being ridiculous?
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- derek20050
like, on my server... i host multiple sites, (all mine or my friends)
i can give them access to those folders, since the other domains are hosted under my root directory...
dereksworld.com is my root site, with folders in there called derekblais.com and seangetti.com, my friend...
then i would just give access to those folders.. so my friends cant just access my whole root directory, but JUST those folders within the root.. the derekblais.com folder or the seangetti.com folder..
its simple stuff.
- derek20050
word, trevedda.
- AMFA0
NOTE: i did NOT read all the threads...
but i NEVER let clients have full FTP access to change pages on their own.
maybe we deal with higher dollar clients, but that is never an option.
If they need ftp for file transfer stuff, we sometimes do that or set up an html ftp system.
- wrongtest0
Derek2005 - I don't know any of the costs of anything, but from my point of view as a simple designer, it seems that it should be simple to provide secure FTP to our site. I expect when the contract runs out we would want to change, but they have a lock in on the software needed for the CMS which is prohibitive (ie pricey) to unlock for someone else to be our web dev company. They do really stress us out and waste our time, there seems a real lack of goodwill, and they bizarrely seem to be shooting themselves in the foot.
Trevedda - What you're saying is key, cos everything they say about security is then qualified by the fact I could break the look and feel, and that it's a retrograde step to Dreamweaver a page rather than use the CMS... It's extremely arrogant as it's really up to us to decide if we feel we're able to edit a page ourselves without their holding hand.
- wrongtest0
AMFA - It's good to hear all points of view on this. Why won't you let clients have FTP access? Is it because you think they'll break they're site, or because of security issues?
- ********0
hahah. I read this and thought "fuck! it's one of our clients!"
We host websites for clients and we dont give them FTP access. Never. We charge for maintence or CMS on our own servers - but if they want FTP they can go somewhere else. My advice is read the small print. ISP's dont *have* to give you anything.
But this is the service we run. These companies dont want to be updating their own sites so we do it for them.
Good luck with them.
- trevedda0
wrongtest - my company works in the uk education sector and we know one or two suppliers who could help you with CMS/technical/and or hosting.
Drop me an email if you want.
- derek20050
like, with my clients, i design sites and offer them CMS systems to update their own shit. they can get FTP access if they want, but 90% of my clients dont want to deal with that "technical" stuff...
some of my clients are more tech savvy, and want to upload jps and txt files via FTP.. which is cool too...
in your situation, YOU are the content creator and designer... so its time for your relationship with this company to change as you have matured in your skill level, with the ability to update sites now, using dreamweaver or whatever, and then uploading via FTP.
i think the comapny you are dealing with has no way to deal with the changing times, and grow with you...
:(
- wrongtest0
Thanks guys for all the advice.... (moth and trevedda) I have to shoot off, but will reply to your points later...
Newstoday is brilliant isn't it?...
Feel free to add any more advice.
- wrongtest0
Derek...will reply later to your point too... Must go..
- AMFA0
its all about client need i suppose.
We are upfront about our ftp/editing access.
Clients come to us for our expertise and if they want to edit their own pages, we recommend other firms. No harm, just not the right fit for us. We are very protective of our designs and we know that the average client doesnt know the first thing about our industry.
we have a CMS tool that allows for editing the text and certain photos, etc. the design stays ours.
FTP is one of the biggest security risks. We rarely allow it, and if we do it is for tech guys in select companies. public ftp is done via form uploads, etc. makes it better for clients' clients and not as big of a risk. Also you can use a server side virus scanner at that point, or deny certain extensions. ...
- wrongtest0
determinedmoth - What you do is something like what our ISP/dev company does... You could argue that we should have demanded it in our contract, or jumped ship, but I just feel the company is being unhelpful. It seems to me they would be better served trying to please their customers with what seems a very reasonable request.
- wrongtest0
Trevedda... I'll drop you a mail, thanks for the offer.
- wrongtest0
derek2005 - that's exactly it... I can understand part of the aims of a CMS is to make the site unbreakable and easy to operate for a client that doesn't want to deal with any complexity.
We don't want to deal with much... However my company hired someone with normal web skills as opposed to just an admin person, so that we can constantly seek to improve our little site... That's all it is.. The quickest, most convenient solution is Dreamweaver/FTP as we know what we're doing..
- wrongtest0
AMFA - thanks for your comments... It's good to see the other side of it.
..What started off as a one way street - the ISP is evil - has now been shown that there's a variety of opinion... Still not sure what I think... It's confusing really..
The argument about being able to break the design of the site is one element.
The thing I need to be clear on is the security risk that FTP represents... Seems to me that there shouldn't be any if it's set up correctly, but then if they say they don't offer FTP like some of your guys' companies don't, then they wouldn't have it set up correctly I guess..
Hmm...think I'll have to just give up and go back to painting! ;)
- kiselka0
They should be able to give you access to a folder or something like that. I know you set up user to access only certian directories.
IT also looks like they are using some free CMS in php/MYSQL that my grandmother could set up and are charging you an arm and a leg!!!
- k770
77!
- wrongtest0
kiselka - what makes you say the CMS looks cheap or free?... be really interested to know.
- kiselka0
I took a look on the way it was set up (I took a look at the URL) and it looks like a free CMS's I' ve seen in the market. Also CMS are preaty easy to make if you know what your doing.
- wrongtest0
Kiselka, thanks for the info... If you know what CMS's it's similar too feel free to list them up here..
Many thanks.