Terri Schiavo...
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- superbaka0
some good points brought up here :
- discipler0
Mimio, I guess it goes back to the issue of morality being relative or absolute. Kind of depends one's overall world view and position on the dignity (or lack thereof) of human life. It seems to me that if moral issues like this are subjective, a culture will likely fall in on itself. Just my opinion, but I think past civilizations are testament to this.
- spk0
how many children will die today due to malnutrion, war, dirty water, etc... while these assholes make a political circus about this woman - if they care so much about life, why the fuck dont they care about darfur.
f*ch bush and f*ck the republican hypocrites (a few dems too) in congress
- liquid0
ah yes, secular humanism....
ok forget the courts.....forget the family...the republicans...the bible thumping crusade....forget the battle between state and fed....forget all that......
some of you have said die naturally.... let's just throw out religion for a sec... has anyone ever thought for a second that the doctors have no idea how much she experiences?
what if she can experience the most basic human things such as pain but can't respond to it... why don't we talk about what we are really going to do... we are going to starve the girl to death... granted..she may be a vegetable...but since we can't really tell how much she can feel ...... have any of you gone without food for longer then 7 days... I don't think its an experience that you want to have....
if anything.... and they are to pull the plug.... then they should at least give her a morphine drip just in case she can feel pain.....
- liquid0
without any food or water at all.... how long could it take.... someone said 4 to 6 weeks right?
- GeorgiePorgie0
the truly sad part is, that no one would even give a shit about her, if it werent for the Federal Courts and what not getting involved. It would just be another sad story, blah blah
- gruntt0
i heard 4-6 weeks. i also heard that proper measures would indeed be taken to make sure she is as comfortable as possible (ie, morphine and the like).
i am personally on the fence about this (as in what I would do). damn hard situation for the entire family.
- liquid0
you know for all the people.....that want to save the environment, stop hunger, stop poverty, stop disease, stop infanticide, etc.....
you all support a lot of death - i.e. abortion, euthenasia
don't you see a hypocritical nature in all this..... who died and left you in charge to decide who lives and who dies...
- jevad0
"who died and left you in charge to decide who lives and who dies"
not the fucking governemnt thats for sure
- Mimio0
Discipler,
How is euthanizing someone an example moral relativism? I think you mean to say is that you believe it's murder or suicide and you don't believe someone has that right.
- discipler0
I guess that's my point as well, liquid. I think it stems from the exaltation of self in many cases, as opposed to true compassion. And I just don't think you can stuff euthenasia and abortion under the shelter of "don't tell me what to do with my body".
Human lives are involved.
- superbaka0
you all support a lot of death - i.e. abortion, euthenasia.
liquid
(Mar 21 05, 10:20)
---the issue is not who lives and who dies. the issue is the freedom to choose if you live or die. or, more specifically, the freedom from OTHER people telling you to live or die.
- Anarchitect0
super.
baka.
- Dr_Jay0
"you all support a lot of death - i.e. abortion, euthenasia" - liquid
the difference is that we don't want the government involved in personal decisions like this. It's none of my business what decision a woman makes about HER body... and it's none of my business if someone who is suffering CHOOSES to die with dignity.
obviously this case is a bit more complicated... I just choose to leave this complicated decision to the family & doctors involved. No reason for our government to get involved.
The enviroment, on the other hand... affects us all... as does the death penalty, etc.
- superbaka0
And I just don't think you can stuff euthenasia and abortion under the shelter of "don't tell me what to do with my body".
Human lives are involved.
discipler
(Mar 21 05, 10:25)
--i absoultely DO think you can. its called individual rights.. apparently, its something you don't believe in.
only somebody who claims they have a right to another persron's life would say what you just said.
- gruntt0
i like euthenasia.
i thnk they're cute.
sorry.
- GeorgiePorgie0
the youth in asia rock!
- liquid0
fine not the government and I agree....... but it should already be legislated that if a person is living and not on life support then the person is considered mentally disabled and deserves the right to be supported by feeding tube or otherwise... Notice I said those that are not on life support.
How is euthanizing someone an example moral relativism......???
Dude, reread your question.... euthenasia is moral relativism...
- jevad0
"And I just don't think you can stuff euthenasia and abortion under the shelter of "don't tell me what to do with my body".
yes - you fucking can - and thats why you religious crusaders and right-wing neo-cons need to STFU and concentrate on how we are raping the earth to death, rather than trying to tell people what they can and cannot do with their OWN fucking LIVES
fuck off
- Dr_Jay0
I need a morphine drip to read this thread.