my rant by dfd
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- fernando0
fresnobob
you may be able to change someone for a week or a day
with design, but thats about it
- -sputnik-0
tres bon rant, dfd...je comprend parfaitment.
- contra0
this week I am mainly designing banners advertising nicotine patches, I feel vaguely worthy for the first time in years, please don't take that away from me.
(apologies to the non-smokers who have no need for nicotine patches)
- DutchBoy0
fresnobob
you may be able to change someone for a week or a day
with design, but thats about itfernando
(Dec 9 04, 16:02)----
i think you are talking about graphic design? i 'd still disagree though.
anyway, why do people always refer to "design" while they are talking about graphic, or at least 2D design.
design is so much more then graphic -, product -, architecture, fashion -, music - etc.etc.
- fernando0
inspiration is fleeting
- fresnobob0
What is going on right now in graphic design, and culture in general? Nohting. Nothing. The last thing to happen was postmodernism, which died basicly the moment Carson published his first piece of work. So if nothing is going on, or has been for the last 10-15 years, what have Bruce Mau or Stefan Sagmeister or anyone else done to change that? Whine and thats about all. They have done to change the present state of dullness. We're in the fucking Neverending Story waiting for Bastian to name the princess and he hasn't. And hes definatley not Mau or Sagmeister. He doesn't exist because no one has took the step to create him.
- -sputnik-0
neverending story...lol
- dfd0
We all need to eat. I get that. But I feel as though it's not necessary to have this great commercial success that (I'm mentioning him again) Bruce Mau has in order to make a difference beyond the world of "graphic design".
I would much rather serve lattes at the corner shop here to pay the bills and work all night on something that could potentially change someone's views, or make them re-think something that affects the world, than (as iDp mentioned) doing cookie cutter "graphic" design.
Some designers need to start thinking with their fucking heads and not just their eyes.
- smellvetica0
yawn.. carson.
- fresnobob0
Fernando
I would agree that an individual piece of design may not change the wolrd drasticaly, however the world is definately not the same it was 100 years ago which in itself is a testament to how design has changed the world.
- fresnobob0
" Some designers need to start thinking with their fucking heads and not just their eyes. "
Amen
- dfd0
Carons' contribution to graphic design is like what ozzy did to live entertainment by biting off some creatures head on stage.
AND
what he also managed, is to make regular everyday folks realize that if they get into graphic design, and do the same thing over and over again and get really good at it, they can make a good living and perhaps become famous (if no one beats them to it).
Don't let my opinion change how you feel about carson. However, i really don't think he serves a useful purpose when you're talking about how to touch someone or make a difference in society using design.
- fernando0
fresnob,
yes the world is changing but its swallowing up individualism
i don't think this is an improvement
- DutchBoy0
http://newstoday.com/pv-an/view_…
hahahaha, you are serious?
please.
i have a feeling your world of exploration in the form of literature, philosophy and reality is a wee bit immature.
- iDp0
I look up to Sagmeister because I think his vision is change and experimentation. Almost everything I've seen of his shows a dedication to the message, craft and concept. Not this bullshit trend following that 95% of do everyday. So much of the work our class of designers produce is out of style 9 months after its done...mean anything?
Of course we have to make a living but I think its our duty to push clients into trying something new, to see the world outside of their respective market. To think beyond the machine. Yeah its tough, it's damn near impossible. What it takes is presentation, experimentation and explanation, if they don't bite then give them what they want, pay the rent and move on. I've started making it a practice to include a comp that is different in every set that I do. I explain the process and the vision behind it and leave it up to them. But you will find those clients who are willing to take the trip. Believe me you will.
Too many of us are following style and not message.
- MLVR0
I think it's time for some designers to look beyond moral and ethical guidance from other designers. Someone mentioned Bruce Mau and i also posted a link to his manifest. However I think he is quite over estimated. He is a thinker and a good educationalist but take a look at his work for example I think the identity work of his is the easiest to relate to for ourselves. And keep his words in mind while looking at that stuff. My only feeling is that it's sad that the ones with good ideas seldom are the ones with equally good out come therefor their opinions lose value in my opinion. There are many good philosopher that are more worth listening to. And regarding Sagmeister he works under the epithet 'Made you look' as his book is titled. How can you listen to the words from a guy with that intetions? He does great work but everything else that comes out of that man is a case study in self-indulgence.
- mr_snuggles0
"What is going on right now in graphic design, and culture in general? Nohting. Nothing."
Graphic design, like art is always a reflection of the current state of society and civilization. Think about what concerns most people on a day to day bases anymore, not much. We have moments of caring or concern, but those are the things that are fleeting.
- iDp0
(re:sagmeister) I think you might be mistaking him with the self promotional peices, and even in those there is a message to be had. His client work is nothing short of amazing and very selfless. The title of his book is also a double meaning to me..I think he likes the playfullness of design as evident in many of his pieces, but I think he also hides the playfullness in a mask of self indugence. It's that double meaning that also lends to creativity and mystery which are very important aspects of design.
- dfd0
"And regarding Sagmeister he works under the epithet 'Made you look' as his book is titled. How can you listen to the words from a guy with that intetions? He does great work but everything else that comes out of that man is a case study in self-indulgence."
I think you strike a good point, however, I first brought up those two individuals for different reasons.
Sagmeister for his ideas, one of the most creative and nicest designer.
Bruce Mau, is actually making a difference. He's different than Sagmeister because Bruce is more about the design of the world rather then the world of design (as the massive project states).
So perhaps I shouldn't have used those designers in order to solidify my point, however, I felt as though both refrences "touch someone's heart with design" and "for most of use design is invisible. until it fails" we equally important to let you guys know how i feel right now.
- MLVR0
I just thought about John Maede. He is a good inspiration when it comes to experimenting without making statements about moral/ethics. I certainly agree that design can touch hearts. I'm touched.
And off to bed...