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- plizo0
I agree that a designer should be familiar with CSS and html and what can and cant be done in html form... so that when the start to DESIGN a template that they know what can and cant be done... I have seen print designers try and develop for the web and man it can be brutal, when they dont know the constraints of somethings with the web..
Thats it..
- plizo0
jox - maybe if your just hired from a firm to create a template and that is it... and they got their own developers..
- brandelec0
plizo, just say that we're right
- jox0
Dream on. They're never gonna hire two people to do a one man job.
- nicora20
And you can't use the perspective that "the non html knowing designer is real good" because you are NOT a good web designer without knowing HTML/CSS.
- plizo0
yeah I guess I will dream on since i have done that in the past... been hired just for design.. but hey,
YOU GUYS ARE SO RIGHT..
- nicora20
well, understand that outside the walls of your world, to the rest of us, it just makes no sense.
- brandelec0
yes we are, because if you were smart like us, you would've gotten paid more for coding it ;)
- waynepixel0
True.
Programer
Designer.
Make your fucking mind-up
- plizo0
agree...
I am just dumb then..
- jox0
You've got to be freakin kidding me.
If your car broke down, would you first go to a guy who pops the hood and then to another guy who fixes it?
- brandelec0
haha - i like that car one jox
- plizo0
No I would probably take it JOX AUTOMOTIVE cause they do it all...
ha ha ha
- nicora20
also, just because you know HTML/CSS doesn't neccisarily make you a programmer, those are formatting languages, not programming languages. Programmers need to know server side scripting in addition to HTML/CSS, a designer can get away with just knowing HTML/CSS.... not a programmer.
- brandelec0
No I would probably take it JOX AUTOMOTIVE cause they do it all...
ha ha ha
plizo
(may 17 04, 16:04)--------------------------------
what a bow down
- jox0
Well well plizo, now that everything else failed in this thread, at least you proved your point saying you are such a respected designer.
Read: Irony, kid.
- enobrev0
as far as i can tell plizo, you're interested in wasting as much of a client's time and money as possible.
After working with at least 20 designers from about 10 different countries, some freelance, some agency, some large firm, I've never once had a designer ask me to do their code for them.
I could see it happening if, say, a print designer did the layouts, and then handed them over to an entry level web designer to do the html / css for them.
At that point, I'm sure the designer would look at the finished product and weep at how mr. html guy fucked up their image...
"No, that rollover was supposed to be orange. Oh and it should be bold. and this should be more of a headline, a little bigger than that text there... Man, I wish I could do the html my self so it would have looked right."
- plizo0
I dont remember me saying I should be respected as a designer... Since honestly all I have been doing lately is flash work....
- plizo0
I am not disagreeing with any of you cats about what should be right.... I agree totally with what a web designer is.. and what they should know...
- jox0
So technically, you're arguing for both sides, you disagree with everyone but you're still convinced you're right (and the ones you agree with are wrong)?
I need air...