web designer & programmer
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i do both the design and the development.
i also design for print.
i also typeset annual reports.
sometimes i have to artwork them.It's just titles... What would you call me? I never know what to put on my CV.
Doesn't Designer still cut it?
- ribit0
Problem is 'Designer' is quite vague...
- jox0
No it isn't. There's no other title in the world as obvious as a "designer". It's just that people are terrible when it comes to define what type of designer they are.
Print designer / Software designer / Type designer - they're perfectly clear to me.
- enobrev0
i'd rather just be the guy who got hired to nut on those people's faces in that other thread.
er.. as far as the discussion is concerned, a web designer damn well have a good grip on coding their layouts, etc to work across all platforms and browsers (html and css IS coding). They better also have the ability to hold their own in a meeting with a developer.
And I agree with jox, the term designer is pretty specific. One who designs. Although it requires a adjective, like interior designer - one who design interiors, or web designer, one who designs um, webs.
- fingercore0
I remember that a month or so ago someone started a thread on the arts/designs section of craigslist jobs (NYC at least) about designers not taking these ridiculously-low ball figures.
Probably didn't last too long but it would have been nice. Everyone on that site is looking for something for nothing.
Worst place to look for a job. Everything on there is some student project.
- JamesEngage0
You may only design in one of those fields but it doesn't make you any better... you may still be shit :)
- plizo0
Look if your coding ... your a developer... if your good at just designing for the web, and know all the concearns in developing but dont got the code gripped down.. then your a designer..
I cant see how you would call a developer a designer as well.. his backend stuff and html is not a design..
But I do give credit to those that know both.... I honestly know how to design for the web, but coding html... welll thanks to dreamweaver for that... cause hand coding just isnt there for me... but I do know what works for a site online and what doesnt...
So there is a difference from developer and designer... they arent even close ..
- enobrev0
sorry man, html and css is a part of design. it's the tool with which you create the look you are after. Consider it your indesign, only you have to do it manually until dreamweaver, etc can spit it all out correctly.
- Mimio0
If you're doing interface design or working with application developers you might need those qualifications.
- ribit0
sure html and css is part of the design process, but if I can draw an example fron car design, the clay model sis part of the design process to, but the people who make them are called 'modelers'...
We would rather hire someone who specialized in really good conceptual design and branding ideas, and then get another guy to implement it well, rather than searching for one person who can possibly cover the full range of skills... mainly because we can't afford someone with such broad (and high level of) skills. But you never know, we might get lucky and find this great all-rounder...
- tfsmag0
a web designer that isn't familiar with css and html code is like a janitor that isn't familiar with a mop.
- plizo0
Being familiar is one thing...yeah probably all web designers know that stuff... but saying your a designer when your good at CSS.... umm I dont think so..
- tfsmag0
i was mainly talking to the guy that said he can't edit/build his sites without a wysiwyg editor. a professional web designer should be able to edit html and css code correctly. and have at the very least a basic understanding of the various html tags.
- gabriel_pc0
"but saying your a designer when your good at CSS.... umm I dont think so.."
so anyone that's good with CSS cannot be a designer?
- ribit0
Look at it from an employers point of view...
We want someone who is really good at the ideas/graphics side of things for our website...we don't really care if he can code or do any 'web building'... then we have another guy to do the site architecture/usability, and another on database stuff...
Whats my point...um... We find it really hard to find people with the right skills if they are all lumped under 'web designer'.
- tfsmag0
learning basic html/css is seriously so easy that there is no excuse for a 'web designer' to not know basic html and css coding without using a wysiwyg editor.
i would never hire someone to only design graphics for a website, they would need to know, or learn how to properly code the website as well or it's not worth hiring them.
- ribit0
But what if you hire them only to do the look and feel concept, then handing over to others fo rthe ongoing development?
- tfsmag0
i don't know of any place that would hire a person to only do the graphics for a website? now if they used someone that was already in house thats one thing... but i've never heard of anyone hiring a person to only work on website graphics?
- ribit0
not just the graphics... the whole look and feel/branding concept...thats often been outsourced to consultancies...
- enobrev0
as a developer, if I hired you to do the design of a site and you sent me a bunch of images with a branding guide, after getting of the floor from a hysterical fit of laughter, i would fire you and bill you for wasting my time claiming yourself as a quality web designer.
Even if you don't know how to code, it would be your responsibility to get me the html code that implements your design correctly. html / css has nothing to do with programming. It's simply markup explaining how the document should be displayed.