software piracy
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- lifeinbinary0
jesus, you seem to be confused.
- eps0
"if you copy a sequence of 1s and 0s from one round piece of plastic onto another, does that make you a criminal?"
Of course!! Same could be said about all our designs. If someone stole your site and put it up as yours, wouldn't that piss you off? Same with the people who work really hard to create software that people steal.
Also software companies do make a lot of money, but their software would cost a lot less if 60% of it wasn't stolen. Using software to learn is one thing, but if you are using it to make money you should pay for it. Simple as that.
If you must have free software, try Beta testing. You get software for free, and all you have to do is fillout a few forms periodically.
- toastiie0
damn, you sound like a corrections officer.
I mean, if I copy a program I can't afford, their programmers still get paid, their CEOs still get obscure amounts of money in profits. And if I can't afford a program, I'm not gonna buy it anyway, so they don't lose anything.
WHY THE F*CK ARE YOU SO CONCERNED ABOUT A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION MAKING THEIR MONEY?
- mitsu0
"nothing worng with property, but software is just a series of 1s and 0s burned onto a disk, if you copy a sequence of 1s and 0s from one round piece of plastic onto another, does that make you a criminal?"
ha! i can beat that:
take an mp3... an already inferior version of the original that was made that way by cutting out unneeded frequencies leaving the solid 'meat'. this is already far from the original binary pattern. now what if we cut off the last 3 seconds of the song... it would take the best pattern recognition algorithm in the world to match the new version to the original.
all that to say, it's really difficult to copyright 1's and 0's but some companies (particularly the RIAA) don't seem to think so.
- phenom0
Software piracy exposes more people (especially young people - not yet at an income earning age) to big name design software that they ordinarily wouldn't be able to get their hands on before. More people learning how to use a particular tool means that there is eventually growth in the increasingly software dependent design industry. (Due to the production costs declining) The big name software firms therfore sell more software to the growing industry, and-everyone-is-happy.
Think free taste testers at Ben and Jerry's.
- unknown0
well I agree with both sides here...if people have no money I'm almost certain that they will eventually buy that software from the creators when they have it. On the other hand I also agree with the statement about copying design too. Both sides have solid arguments. But enough about my opinion, here's a link where you can find the cheapest legal software, some of it is very old, but for example you can by the cheapest MS Office XP Pro and Windows XP Professional.
Cheers.
- eps0
"WHY THE F*CK ARE YOU SO CONCERNED ABOUT A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION MAKING THEIR MONEY? "
First of all, I'm just stating my opinion. When did trying to have a smart discussion become an attack?
I could care less about the corporation. I care about the fact that the software would be cheaper for those of us who buy it if most of the copies weren't stolen. And the money we pay for the software goes back into new versions which help us all.
My problem isn't with the piracy. It's the fact that by stealing software you are basically saying that the developers of the software don't deserve to get paid for their work and their time should be free. As designers I would think that this would be an issue we are all sensitive to.
Also In my last post I said I have no problem with people getting free software to learn, but if you are making money off someone else's work, you owe them. If someone got a job off your design wouldn't you be pissed? How is this different?
Also, like I said, there are legit ways to get cheap software (beta testing).
All I want is a discussion...not an argument.
- mrdobolina0
hoe did this conversation drift from these fools selling pirated software to the morality of piracy.
The point is this company on this web site is SELLING this pirated software, I dont think anyone could honestly agree with these guys making money off of something they didnt create. That was the point of this thread, no?
- jpea0
i agree with most of you.. it's bad that these guys are making money off of software that they stole.... just like the paypal hotline servers and such.
On the other focus of this discussion, software wouldn't cost ANY less if there was less piracy.. companies don't set a goal profit for a project and once they meet it, give it away. They would charge a set price and aim for it, anything over it would be extra, not returned to the customer.
- mrdobolina0
true jpea, you move to chicago yet?
- enobrev0
while i don't disagree that piracy is wrong, be it software or design, i would have nothing without software piracy.
Pirated copies of photoshop, illustrator and quark paid for my last year in high school and kept me fed and helped keep a roof over my family's head.
And even considering working 3 shit jobs (already had one) to afford $600 software was absurd.
Besides that, the idea that a stop to piracy would lower prices on software is silly. Softwre is expensive because the price is set by people in suits with profit margins to worry about. And in that priacy is not quantifiable, they can't subtract those numbers from their bottom line.
Just like CD's were $18 before p2p was popular.
I don't condone piracy, but I can't hate on someone who takes part in order to break into a really fucking expensive industry.
Nothing about the technology industry is inexpensive, which really sucks when it's the most accessible well paid professions.
- jpea0
nope.. graduation next weekend... then pretty much anytime after that...
i gotta head down there this weekend to try to find a place to live! ack!
Any cheap apts/rooms near rogers park?
- sexypixel0
steeling is fun!
- enobrev0
and there's always that fact as well
- unknown0
Piracy is a strong marketing tool.
- mrdobolina0
jpea, Im actually in Milwaukee about 80 miles to the north. But I have alot of friends in chicago. I go there quite a bit. I also want to get drunk with Kona someday ;)
- kerus0
toastie: i completely understand what you're saying and agree, whats a buncha 1's and 0's... BUT..
lets say you worked for 4 months on a design for a LARGE agency and got paid for it..... and then someone stole a copy of it and sold it to a bunch of other people for like 1/2 or 1/3 of the price you would have gotten, and you dont see a penny of it..
ok maybe im too tired stll to make a valid point nevermind!
- mitsu0
"I could care less about the corporation. I care about the fact that the software would be cheaper for those of us who buy it if most of the copies weren't stolen"
don't believe this lie. companies use this crap to justify thier high priced software.