Abortion
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- InVivio0
Discussion is a form of entertainment.
- unknown0
Bingo
- unknown0
Bingo is also a form of entertainment..
not my kind tho..
Who likes Bingo?
- xrusos0
abortion is...
1) anti-women
2) anti-minority
3) anti-handicapcheck it out... (in brief)
1) anti-women
+over 70% of the aborted are female. even moreso in asian countries.
+in almost every case when a decision has to be made to keep one of a set of twins over the other, the choice is to keep the male child. (99%) - of course this is in cases of male/female twins.2) anti-minority
+over 65% of abortions are minority mothers (at least in the USA)
+there are zero minority populated areas in the USA that don't have an abortion clinic within 15 miles.
+white politicians make sure that there is always an abortion clinic in minority neighborhoods... keeping them down
+the founder of planned parenthood is a confessed white supremecist and in the days of Hitler encouraged minority (mostly black) pastors to seek planned parenthood offices for help... where they encouraged abortions (keeping the minorities down)3) anti-handicap
+when handicap (physically or mentally) people are out of the womb, we fight for their rights (build them ramps for buildings, provide special hospitals, parking spots)
+but in the womb, they are targeted. as genetic testing becomes more advanced, we can count on many more abortions targeting mentally and physically handicap people. (all for the sake of saving them the burdens that life would bring)there you have it...
abortion is...
1) anti-women
2) anti-minority
3) anti-handicap
- xrusos0
and i didn't even mention the Bible/God/Christianity/Jesus. c'mon NT'ers, aren't you proud of me?
- unknown0
Damn frow. I email u half and hour ago. How long does it take to answer a yes/no question?
- frow0
d_t_p
Thanks for your thoughts. Valid objections. Here are my thoughts...
What you are describing as observable is only a form of environmental adaptation which I accept and which fits into the pale of Creative science and belief. This however, does not make the idea of evolution observable, by the theoretical requirement. It also does not resolve the issue of the lack of any transitional forms between species.
Regarding the unborn child in it's early stages... what I was trying to communicate is that this is not just a collection of tissue without everything it needs to develop. In other words, I believe science has show that the baby, upon becoming an embryo has what it needs to develop a personality. It's not value-less tissue. I also believe, as the Bible teaches that God has a purpose and plan for a child even before it is "knitted in the womb". Finally, my understanding is that an embryo has nerve capacity to feel pain even with hours of conception - I would need to check more deeply into that one though.
Yes, partial birth abortion, though rare is horrifying. And I'm sorry a professing "Christian" hit you. Allow us differentiate between "professing" Christians and "possessing" Christians.
Motiv- You will need to expound on "isolated systems" and how that is significant. My understanding of the second law of Thermodynamics is that it states that Order/matter is moving from good to bad. Things break down. This contradicts traditional evolutionary viewpoints.
- frow0
Check your inbox dude.
- motivdesign0
Frow:
The second law of thermodynamics only applies to isolated systems, meaning systems that don't partake in any exchange of mass or energy with their surroundings.
No biological entity is an isolated system, as matter and energy exchange with surrounding environment occures constantly, thus stiffling or otherwise affecting the entropy that the second law defines.
This is one of the most common misinterpretations of the 2nd law by creationists, but understanding the difference between open and isolated systems is mandatory for any understanding of energy exchange.
- monokrom0
I'm an agnostic who believes in evolution (unil someone proves that it's less plausible than some other theory).
I am anti-abortion, but pro condom, diaphragm, birth control pill, and common sense.
From the moment of conception, barring some unforseen accident, a fertilized egg will develop into a human being like any of us. While it draws sustenance from the mother, to say that it's "part of her body" is idiotic. It's genetically distinct. In addition to supplying the baby with oxygen and nutrients, the placenta protects the baby from the mother's immune system .. which might otherwie attack the baby because it's a distinct and separate living thing residing within the mother's womb.
We all make mistakes in life. I don't think that people, however foolishly and thoughtlessly they've behaved, who have conceived a child through unprotected sex should be stoned to death - but why compound their mistake by allowing them to murder a child?
It's barbaric. Abortion is one of those brutal, primitive practices that degrades us as a society.
Don't want the baby? Put it up for adoption. Worried that the social /child services bureaucracy is broken (a common justification for infanticide) ? Lobby the govt and vote for politicians who will improve the system.
Abortion is murder. If you believe otherwise, you're kidding youself - just as socities of the past were able to cobble together various cockeyed justifications for slavery (ie the scientists of those days 'proved' that Africans were inferior to Europeans and that slavery was somehow'helping' them ... or, worse, the 'natural' state of things).
- d_t_p0
"Finally, my understanding is that an embryo has nerve capacity to feel pain even with hours of conception - I would need to check more deeply into that one though. "
definitely not true. think of the system that needs to develop to move any sort of signal, much less pain. its quite a ways into the pregnancy... i dont know how long exactly... but certainly not the same day.
an embryo is just a collection of cells... there is no tissues yet... no systems. nothign communicates... it just absorbs.
- Bluejam0
To all those that are anti abortion...
...he who is without sin cast the first f®©king stone.
...keep yer own house in order before trying to break into others.
- dopepope0
Abort this thread.
- frow0
That's interesting Motiv. I'll have to research that. Here's a book you may find interesting:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido…
Also, I'd be interested in hearing your view on the lack of transitional forms.
- TransFatty0
lol dopepope
- frow0
This is an interesting one as well:
- motivdesign0
Apoogies, but I've hashed and rehashed the evolution vs creation argument one too many times on the internet, and twice in the last year, which leaves me needed a bit more recharging time before I'll undertake it again as I tend to be incredibly thorough.
As far as your transitional fossils question goes, here's a list:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/…
And just because something hasn't been found doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
The problem with the argument is that creationists can't offer any proof of creationism, yet they demand proof of evolution from evolitionists.
It's a flawed argument on every level, similar to abortion.
- bob0
Let little humans live.
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A crime of convience.
A defenseless victim.
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http://www.rockforlife.org/
- gabe0
- http://www.rockforlife.org
"you will not mock our god"i think that whole movement was flawed beginning with that one statement.