Trent Lott
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Jesus, who knew? Hope he's the only one in the party.
Besides Thurmond of course.
And Ashcroft.
And Barr.
And DeLay.
And Buchanan.
- Creon0
Im sure hes not. The senate and House is such an old folks home, its unbelievable. Once the younger generation gets in there, I hope there is a change.
- InVivio0
What's it matter? everything is so far right these days that democrats have forgotton where center is, let alone a left wing position.
- zanetate0
I think things are setting up for that to change though. It's becoming easier to criticize the right with things like this happening. The dems just need good leadership and a clear message. Gore is sounding better lately, and so is Kerry. Didja hear Kerry called for Lott's resignation? What dya think - should he step down?
- thanton0
hell yeah, damn racist
- InVivio0
personally, I find incidences like Trent Lot's comment more offensive and damaging than Clinton getting a hummer and then lying about it. Let's hope that the democrats can deliver some legislative change and not just "gum op the works" like in the last 2 years.
- zanetate0
Exactly. The democrats have a lot to criticize, but the challenge is to provide alternatives and direction. Otherwise, they're just complaining, which is why they've lost so badly recently.
- eloosive0
The Democrats seem smart to me. It's strategically best to let the opposition define all the bad mistakes...like racist remarks, war-mongering, environmental irresponsibility, tax breaks for the rich and so forth. Let them have their run. This administration and the republican antiques will be obsolete, eventually. Either through more citizens getting sick and tired of the antics and voting for change, or citizens rising up, similar to how citizens in third world countries do. Political apathy will soon be dead, there might well be another 60's type era coming back into vogue, where civil unrest for change becomes more and more pronounced. Bush Jr. is by far worse than the Gipper (Reagan) or his dad, so it'll be interesting what changes in the next two years. If nothing does, I always wondered what it would be like to live in the U.K. Is Tony Blair cool?(aside from apartment purchases)
- InVivio0
I don't know eloosive,
Seems like the Republicans have a pretty solid foothold to me. To pretend that this country doesn't need it's ideals represented in governement is a huge mistake that will we all pay for. In fact, we're already paying for it.
- zanetate0
It seems like Eloosive is saying, 'Let the Republicans hang themselves.' And I agree partially because it's beginning to look like they will. The problem is that they will cause so much damage along the way. And, like you were saying InVivio, they already are.
It's nice to imagine a culture of protest popping up in response to all of this. But I don't think that will happen without good leadership. Of course, we can still do our part in trying to create that culture.
- eloosive0
So true. NPR said today that more Americans are joining the American Civil Liberties Union, precisely because of the climate in this country today. But if you notice, every party takes over in a cyclical fashion. When Clinton came in after the first Bush, things went pretty well, or better compared to now. The internet, tech, foreign policy and environmental accords (Kyoto) was sound, civil liberties weren't as threatenend. Yeah, we're paying for it now. But I'm thinking the Republicans will be on their way out. It was only last year a Republican went to the Democrats and that senator cited that the current administration is out of touch. We'll just have to see how out of touch. Something to consider is there is a burgeoning population of second generation "immigrant" Americans who are educated, like me, and they tend to be Democratic. Democratic across the board in California, reflected by our senators, Mayors. Republicans can't touch California, I know that much.
- Creon0
well i dont agree with the democrats vs republicans talk...its more about decent humanity. Lott's comments were wrong whether dem or rep.
- eloosive0
Creon, I totally agree.
- Biofreak0
unfortunatly i think that the white southern US citizens are ok with Lott.
i met him a few times (cuz he is our representative-sickening) and i just wanna punch him in the face. i cant BELIEVE that race is still an issue in society. wasnt that kinda shit abolished in... the dark ages... or somehting. has he been around since the dark ages?
- InVivio0
This is very party oriented, we're talking about the racist beliefs and statements being made by the Senate Majority Leader. Besides he some how felt it was appropriate to say those comments amoung his republican constituents.
- eloosive0
Wow Bio, that's trippy. What can be said? Habits and Fears die old, and some parents would rather pass along their skewed perspective to their kids.
Trent Lott reminds me of Lee Irmey in "Full Metal Jacket" [Kubrick film] the Marine gunnery seargeant who says "I do not look down on niggers, kikes, jews, rednecks or spics, IN HERE YOU ARE ALL EQUALLY WORTHLESS!"
- zanetate0
Biofreak, I'm a "white southern US citizen" who is not remotely ok with Lott. And I'd say there are quite a few of us - probably more today than last week. Race is still an issue here, but no more than anywhere else. We just aren't well represented but that will change at least a little pretty soon.
InVivio, I agree with you. While this sort of comment is bad regardless of party, when it's the Senate Majority Leader, the party should take notice and respond.
- Biofreak0
word man.
im not saying that ll southerners alre like this, but you really might be surprised to find that some stereotypes are closer to truth than they should be.
the south is still very racist. not justthe older generations either. it has been passed down from parents, teachers, et cetera. it is taught to us. even me. racism was unavoidable growing up. it permeates everything.
my brother and i somehow escaped the effects. we read a lot of books and i guess learned that humans are humans. people are very evil by nature if you ask me. i am ashamed of where i live sometimes. there was recently a clan rally in my home town. i wanted to go so bad. cuz i look like a skinhead i figured they would assume i was "one of theirs" which would not have been good. i woldve been arrested trying to take them all out with my bare hands.
- Biofreak0
glad to hear it zanetate.
lott isa pig.
he is "the man" (not the good one either)
id like to see him in a meat processor.
- zanetate0
I know how ya feel. Those guys are fairly harmless any more, except they're like this cancer on the south. They maintain the image of the racist, hick south that should be dead by now. But every region has its bigots - we just have a history of it, and thus the bad image. It's not too bad where I live (NC), but you can tell it's still there with some people. I think the best response we can have is to build positive and creative communities where the progessive-minded can be successful. We can't ignore or forget the bigots, but we can leave them behind in the past where they belong.
- Biofreak0
sounds good to me.
oh, and i do apologies for "going off". it is just a nasty nasty topic.