Venezuela 2014
Venezuela 2014
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- hotroddy-2
entire country without power for 40 hours
- What a shame...what could possibly go wrong next?utopian
- popcorn.gifhotroddy
- arresting doctors for calling on humanitarian aid
https://www.facebook…hotroddy - Looks like #commicortez got her wish. No power for you.Hayoth
- It's called socialism, dolt.utopian
- bright side is there's no food in the fridge to spoilhotroddy
- Fax_Benson1
This is an interesting read.
- from 2017Fax_Benson
- +1fadein11
- chavez fooled everyone.hotroddy
- and for author to admit he supported him because of his race would be considered racism if it were trumphotroddy
- hotroddy-1
Mike Pompeo at the UN does a pretty spot on summery:
- oh fuck right offMilan
- like this twat cares about any of those people. these US warmongers have proven that countless times, but this time it's different?Milan
- the US helped build Venezuela to be the richest nation in Latin America before Chavez. So yes, its been done before and can be done again.hotroddy
- i know its painful for to you to hear that.hotroddy
- why did they elect chavez then? you think they got sick of their wealth?uan
- chavez sold them snake oil and false dream. Plus they wanted to stick it to the 1%. The 1% that created a middle class that is no longer.hotroddy
- and yes, they are only realizing now how good they had it. They were poor but had running water, electricity, and FOOD which they don't have todayhotroddy
- so, they were rich but nevertheless wanted to stick it to the 1% and fell for a demagogue for 14 consecutive years.uan
- The first 6 years were grea. They nationalized indurstries and operating them in debt. But that's ok because oil was at 160 a barrelhotroddy
- And Price controls killed local production. And they keep doubling down ignoring the cause of inflation.hotroddy
- And you forget these people are THUGS that want to convert Venezuela into madmax because that's the only world they know they can survive and thrive.hotroddy
- They've armed civilians who are above the law do whatever it takes to intimidate and execute if necessary.hotroddy
- what no one talks about is how they use race / colonialism/ imperialism as a reason to justify the destruction.hotroddy
- "they hate us because of the color of our skin" he once said on national broadcasthotroddy
- lay off the cnn there hotroddy, it's bad for your health.. obviouslyMilan
- my family lived it buddy. CNN would never air what I just saidhotroddy
- sounds more like a trauma that was caused by injustice from higher powers...those things take generations to heal:/uan
- today I was browsing radio stations from venezuela, hard to tell if I found any good stations, but all are broadcasting lots of commercials, that surprised me.uan
- but in general they sound like a normal country very aware of the problems the country is facing. heard some reasonable voices calling for unity left and right.uan
- heard also some calls that got shut down, when the caller started to promote ideologies.uan
- most of private radio stations have been forced off air. If you say anything critical- they remove your licence and steal are your equipment.hotroddy
- it's not about left and right anymore. Its about a group of crimimal thugs that have taken control of the countryhotroddy
- Sounds like what Tman is trying to do here. Makes sense.formed
- maquito2
@hotroddy have you read about Maduro’s russian, ex-kgb, mercenary, personal security?
- yes. fascinating and crazy. 400 or so? Russia has big investments in Venezuela.hotroddy
- They sell them weapons for oil and already own 50% of Citgo an Venezuela Oil enterprise based in USA. Venezuela is heavily indebted to Russiahotroddy
- Providing 400 russians with food will be a feat. I hope they like beans.hotroddy
- maduro ordered all US embassy personel evacuated and return to venezuela. Many are not returning and deserting.hotroddy
- maquito0
http://en.mercopress.com/2018/06…
I actually have 2 venezuelan co-workers. Both living in Uruguay since 2014. One of them is a girl who used to work as CD for Nestle. Although she doesn’t speak too much about it, she resigned to the position, where her income was about twice of what she arranged here. I have met uber drivers from Venezuela that are actually Ingeneers, Doctors..
This brings me back to my first question in this thread and makes me wonder: who are actually Maduro’s supporters? Who stands in favor os this catastrophe?
- The 2,000 generals that have distributed the country amongst themselves.hotroddy
- When they nationlized the mining companies, agricultural lands, factories, etc they gave it to their generals. generals with ZERO eductation in such mattershotroddy
- USA has under 300 generals in comparison.hotroddy
- Apart from the Engineers and Doctors (who probably migrated back in 2004-2014) there is new wave of venezuelan which is not prettyhotroddy
- its all the poor and uneducated people (former chavistas) leaving the country in groves. They are prostitutes, drug dealers, sicarios,hotroddy
- causing venezuela xenophobia in all countries South Americahotroddy
- A peruvian uber driver told me that the new sicarios are all venezuelanin peru because they'll do the job at half the pricehotroddy
- https://venezuelanal…hotroddy
- Fuck.maquito
- maquito0
@hotroddy it seems to be around oil from beginning to end... when was it not?
- It's always been about oil. But the Chavistas have ruined the oil production and have diverted oil revenue away from the populationhotroddy
- like the oil for food program they have with Uruguay. Since they ruined all national production of food that existed in venezuelahotroddy
- the US is the only country that pays full price for Venezuelan oil. And Maduro is now FUCKED!hotroddy
- Chavistas made and stole billions with the commissions they made on food contracts with Mexico, Panama and other countries.hotroddy
- maquito0
This in fact hits me quite close, because the government of my country decided to support Maduro, and despite the bewilderment of the majority of the population, it seems that Uruguay does not mind that in Venezuela there is a potential civil war about to happen. I read this morning that Spain, France and Germany demanded fresh elections within eight days or they'll recognize the Venezuelan opposition leader as legit. Fuck geopolitics, fuck gasoline and fuck corruption.
- donde hay plata baila el mono
https://panampost.co…hotroddy - uruguay loves their Venezuelan oilhotroddy
- So does Trumpmaquito
- Maduro not corrupt, extreme inflation is ok? Sounds your are delusional. Ignoring corruption because it's your evil you're supporting.Hayoth
- Sorry hayoth, I didn’t understand.maquito
- I mean, Maduro IS a dictator. Not sure about delusion, but whoever supports him is in favor of corruption.maquito
- donde hay plata baila el mono
- maquito0
Sorry, didn't find a better thread. Is here any Venezuelan, actually living in Venezuela, in QBN? Shit is getting scary... again.
- maquito0
Sorry, didn't find a better thread. Is here any Venezuelan, actually living in Venezuela, in QBN? Shit is getting scary... again.
- Nairn3
- power to the peopleKrassy
- now that's a rally/protestfadein11
- Now imagine that you're one of the few remaining survivors, and all that's the Zombie Hoard, coming for you.Nairn
- It's true! socialism does bring people togetherGnash
- unfortunately it takes real life lessons for most people to learn about basic economicshotroddy
- That and a 1,000,000% inflation rate and risingtoemaas
- hotroddy0
Dictator Maduro order the Venezuelan US embassy to evacuate because he was 'cutting all diplomatic ties' with the USA.
The Secretary of the Organization of American States (OEA) said that they weren't going anywhere.
LOL
Next 72 hours will be interesting.
- OBBTKN0
At least 16 dead in the protests...
- gov’t and ppl, sadly we all get fcked in the end, there is no way around it :( politics & wars... we are our own doom..helloeatbreathedrive
- WW3?Salarrue
- lowimpakt1
it's funny when people point to the violence and poverty of venezuela as an argument against socialism.
They ignore the violence and poverty of other non-socialist states and fail to explain the failure of those states.
States fail for many complex reasons and overly simplistic socialism v.s. capitalism arguments are a waste of time.
- i don't have what happening funny. it's sad. and the poverty they are experiencing now is directly related to their economic policies.hotroddy
- which were once praised by bernie sanders and other western liberalshotroddy
- can be a bit more specific? which policies proposed by sanders, how were these implemented in venezuela and what contribution did these make to situationlowimpakt
- price controls - gov't put price controls on goods. companies go out of business. there is a huge food shortage currentlyhotroddy
- expropriation and nationlization - gov't seized evil multinational corporations to nationalize them- they ran them into the ground and are no longer operatinghotroddy
- hyper inflation - in order to keep up with all there social spending they printed money- more and more of it- the bolivar has devaulated by more than 2000%hotroddy
- it's worth nothing... they use it to clean their ass b/c there is no toilette paperhotroddy
- hotroddy - you are discussing a poor administration not socialism. stop generalising.fadein11
- and yes lowimpakt +1fadein11
- agriculture/cattle - they seized productive land which was run by 'Corporate farmers'... these lands are now arid b/c they didn't have expertise to run themhotroddy
- did sanders propose price controls on food that would push price of purchase below cost of production?lowimpakt
- it didn't happen all it once - it has been a slow domino effect over 18 yearshotroddy
- implement 'popular policies' to stay in power. fuck the consequenceshotroddy
- can you point me to sanders' most recent speech on nationalisation or the plan he had for this during his campaign?lowimpakt
- did sanders advocate or propose and specific policy that will lead to hyper inflation?lowimpakt
- i know what you are saying - 'not in my country' - we can administrate with more efficiency.hotroddy
- where did sanders advocate seizing farmland?lowimpakt
- hotroddy, can you show me where sanders praised any of these policies you mentioned?lowimpakt
- maybe in well educated countries like UK, Canada, Sweden.. but not USA, we are too big and backwards and too many mooches who will never get off the gov't teathotroddy
- Sanders... has built his campaign on Chavez-esque class warfare and has similar proposals to massively expand the size of government.hotroddy
- bullshitmoldero
- class warfare has been in full effect by the rich since wwIImoldero
- ease off the state tvmoldero
- we have the potential to become the greatest country on earth, if the US wasn't filled with a bunch of institutionalize idiotsmoldero
- ummm... you guys are arguing with a person who takes slogans for wisdom...pr2
- Socialism is an idea that doesn't work in practice.Salarrue
- moldy, right the wrongs of something that happend 70 years ago? How far back should we go? Are you willing to return your apt/land to AZ pueblo indians?hotroddy
- populist politics and class warfarehotroddy
- trump is guilty of it too. but his policies will keep people working not making them dependant on gov'thotroddy
- you are an idiot.Hayoth
- haha fuckin a its actually quite simplistic. socialism simply fails. it is its nature. this is why people need to learn a little philsophy. so they dont getdeathboy
- caught up in the branding of it all. collectivism vs individualism. high point with humans is ascending from collectivism to individualismdeathboy
- and lowimpact socialism is a cancer that grows. all of vene policy wasn't initial. Its slow growth cancer. Why ppl like bernie think i can take the same metholdeathboy
- ogy and produce different results. Look at the ambitious hitler. the stalin. history repeats itself, and most don't learn. unlearn what they tell udeathboy
- I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. specifics and references please.lowimpakt
- Well, he is a populist. He praised chavez and said Chavez' Venezuela was living the american dream better than USA.hotroddy
- Apart from populist politics - I don't have specific parralels.hotroddy
- That comment alone should be huge red flag.hotroddy
- if you are looking for a 4 line explanation you wont find it. low. If you actually can;t see it you probably need to read books. check road to serfdomdeathboy
- hayek pretty much explains in many facets why collectivist gov always fail looking at where the idea came from and what happened to those who employed it in hisdeathboy
- time. Also a little history on terminology and how it changed over time to mean the exact opposite.deathboy
- if i had to sum up its failure briefly. Do you thin one man or sm committee can plan and tell everyone who to live successfully? Have u experienced micro managedeathboy
- ment and poor leadership in a workplace. A boss tellign you what to do which u fully disagreed with, but he tells u to be happy u do it for the greater gooddeathboy
- which is company. would u like all of your life that way. ran by failing turds who floated to the top? and when their decisions start hurting your belly for thedeathboy
- greater good you will be cool. u will agree. u will serve anyone in charge who is democratically elected. be happy we arent as socialist as othersdeathboy
- if we were you'd get what ever trump wanted. either he is a wake up point, or ppl fold into full blown dictatorship/sociali... mode to usurp him.deathboy
- hotroddy-6
socialism mixed with class racism...
the military is composed primarly of poor african descendants who have seem to enjoy beating up on middle class people with impunity:
I hate to be so crude but once "middle america" white voters become a minority.. we will elect someone like malcom x and white people will have it coming here in the states too. give it 150 years...
- oey0
what socialism dude?
where do you see socialism?
- Hayoth-7
But Bernie Sanders is awesome and socialism is the answer. Venezuela didn't do socialism right.
- <-- simpleton talkingpr2
- people are dying. it's a fucking dictatorship. anti-democratic shit. people want to keep power under some idealistic pretense that doesn't relate at all.oey
- a simpleton uses insults rather than facts to arguehotroddy
- why does it seem only white countries can pull off socialism?moldero
- good point moldero. socialism is only as good as the intellectual capacity of it's people. that's why it will never work in the USA.hotroddy
- the middle class in venezuela are generally white and they are a minority.hotroddy
- we need to purge ourselves of evil socialism and get rid of our medical and social security asap.moldero
- our great leader is working on it.moldero
