Venezuela 2014
Venezuela 2014
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- lowimpakt1
it's funny when people point to the violence and poverty of venezuela as an argument against socialism.
They ignore the violence and poverty of other non-socialist states and fail to explain the failure of those states.
States fail for many complex reasons and overly simplistic socialism v.s. capitalism arguments are a waste of time.
- i don't have what happening funny. it's sad. and the poverty they are experiencing now is directly related to their economic policies.hotroddy
- which were once praised by bernie sanders and other western liberalshotroddy
- can be a bit more specific? which policies proposed by sanders, how were these implemented in venezuela and what contribution did these make to situationlowimpakt
- price controls - gov't put price controls on goods. companies go out of business. there is a huge food shortage currentlyhotroddy
- expropriation and nationlization - gov't seized evil multinational corporations to nationalize them- they ran them into the ground and are no longer operatinghotroddy
- hyper inflation - in order to keep up with all there social spending they printed money- more and more of it- the bolivar has devaulated by more than 2000%hotroddy
- it's worth nothing... they use it to clean their ass b/c there is no toilette paperhotroddy
- hotroddy - you are discussing a poor administration not socialism. stop generalising.fadein11
- and yes lowimpakt +1fadein11
- agriculture/cattle - they seized productive land which was run by 'Corporate farmers'... these lands are now arid b/c they didn't have expertise to run themhotroddy
- did sanders propose price controls on food that would push price of purchase below cost of production?lowimpakt
- it didn't happen all it once - it has been a slow domino effect over 18 yearshotroddy
- implement 'popular policies' to stay in power. fuck the consequenceshotroddy
- can you point me to sanders' most recent speech on nationalisation or the plan he had for this during his campaign?lowimpakt
- did sanders advocate or propose and specific policy that will lead to hyper inflation?lowimpakt
- i know what you are saying - 'not in my country' - we can administrate with more efficiency.hotroddy
- where did sanders advocate seizing farmland?lowimpakt
- hotroddy, can you show me where sanders praised any of these policies you mentioned?lowimpakt
- maybe in well educated countries like UK, Canada, Sweden.. but not USA, we are too big and backwards and too many mooches who will never get off the gov't teathotroddy
- Sanders... has built his campaign on Chavez-esque class warfare and has similar proposals to massively expand the size of government.hotroddy
- bullshitmoldero
- class warfare has been in full effect by the rich since wwIImoldero
- ease off the state tvmoldero
- we have the potential to become the greatest country on earth, if the US wasn't filled with a bunch of institutionalize idiotsmoldero
- ummm... you guys are arguing with a person who takes slogans for wisdom...pr2
- Socialism is an idea that doesn't work in practice.Salarrue
- moldy, right the wrongs of something that happend 70 years ago? How far back should we go? Are you willing to return your apt/land to AZ pueblo indians?hotroddy
- populist politics and class warfarehotroddy
- trump is guilty of it too. but his policies will keep people working not making them dependant on gov'thotroddy
- you are an idiot.Hayoth
- haha fuckin a its actually quite simplistic. socialism simply fails. it is its nature. this is why people need to learn a little philsophy. so they dont getdeathboy
- caught up in the branding of it all. collectivism vs individualism. high point with humans is ascending from collectivism to individualismdeathboy
- and lowimpact socialism is a cancer that grows. all of vene policy wasn't initial. Its slow growth cancer. Why ppl like bernie think i can take the same metholdeathboy
- ogy and produce different results. Look at the ambitious hitler. the stalin. history repeats itself, and most don't learn. unlearn what they tell udeathboy
- I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. specifics and references please.lowimpakt
- Well, he is a populist. He praised chavez and said Chavez' Venezuela was living the american dream better than USA.hotroddy
- Apart from populist politics - I don't have specific parralels.hotroddy
- That comment alone should be huge red flag.hotroddy
- if you are looking for a 4 line explanation you wont find it. low. If you actually can;t see it you probably need to read books. check road to serfdomdeathboy
- hayek pretty much explains in many facets why collectivist gov always fail looking at where the idea came from and what happened to those who employed it in hisdeathboy
- time. Also a little history on terminology and how it changed over time to mean the exact opposite.deathboy
- if i had to sum up its failure briefly. Do you thin one man or sm committee can plan and tell everyone who to live successfully? Have u experienced micro managedeathboy
- ment and poor leadership in a workplace. A boss tellign you what to do which u fully disagreed with, but he tells u to be happy u do it for the greater gooddeathboy
- which is company. would u like all of your life that way. ran by failing turds who floated to the top? and when their decisions start hurting your belly for thedeathboy
- greater good you will be cool. u will agree. u will serve anyone in charge who is democratically elected. be happy we arent as socialist as othersdeathboy
- if we were you'd get what ever trump wanted. either he is a wake up point, or ppl fold into full blown dictatorship/sociali... mode to usurp him.deathboy