FUCK ADOBE!
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- oey3
If i use the pad on my mac to move inside document (hand tool) in illy it totally slows down and keeps moving for like one minute by itself...
mac or adobe issue?
anyone else?if i do the same in my wacom, no problem.
- OctopiStimuli1
Are there any ways to take the CC apps from using certain internet connected stuff. I dont want the Adobe Stock, CC libraries etc to load when using the apps, could that reduce any lag at all?
Feels like every app is bloated.
- it is.
why don't we have an open source photoshop in the meantime? How hard can it be to code ps3.5 opensource nowadays?uan - gimp is ok, but it's also bit bloated or just doesn't have a good ui feel to it imo...uan
- Not open source, but as mentioned before, Affinity Photo is pretty good and very cheap.ETM
- affinity is real good. I got designer when it came out.uan
- little snitch software should do itshapesalad
- i don't mind paying for it. but I think their business model is flawed. the price of cc should be dropping, not rising. what do they need all that money for?uan
- it is.
- TBO0
Space bar - hand tool doesn't work since I got a new Wacom.
- mac or windows?zarkonite
- I know it sounds crazy, but try quitting any running web browsers and try again.monospaced
- Happened to me too. Gotta reset preferences, sux.fyoucher1
- Same thing w/ magnifying glassfyoucher1
- I used to get that a few years ago and somehow managed to eradicate it. Monospaced is correct about browser workaround (Flash thing). Nuking prefs might help.evilpeacock
- Mac: tried resetting preferences. Still not working going to contact Wacom.TBO
- Think I had similar problem, was just in Ai, Ps worked. New version of Ai fixed issue.mrAtor
- I have the same issue.ShaneHolley
- Bennn1
"Adobe Achieves Record Revenue"
https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com…
'Adobe achieved record quarterly revenue of $2.08 billion in its first quarter of fiscal year 2018, which represents 24 percent year-over-year revenue growth.'
And they just announced a raised on monthly fees...
Adobe :
- luckily you don't use itfadein11
- Adobe does a lot more than just license Creative Suitemonospaced
- 98% of their things is licenses for CS, come on. What are they selling outside this?Bennn
- they license the tech behind PDF and Postscript to 3rd parties. those 2 alone are hugeGnash
- the vast majority of their revenues are from CS lisenceBennn
- i'm confused, should they be a not for-profit?Gnash
- Cloud services, web hosting, tons of enterprise level work, r&d, partnerships and alliances, events, outreach, education, and on and onmonospaced
- Full service online marketing services, training for creatives and clients, storage solutions ...monospaced
- Where did you get the 95% from?monospaced
- where di you get what you're stating?Bennn
- You're in the FUCK ADOBE thread by the way. Start a I LOVE ADOBE thread if you praise them that much.Bennn
- its beautiful seeing you at the defense of a mega corp having anti-competitive practices and shitons of complains about their practices. (see wiki)Bennn
- where did I get what I'm stating? because it's what they do, and I work in a company with an enterprise level service, and I attend events and trainingmonospaced
- I don't blame you, as a mere hobbyist, that you are oblivious to the majority of what Adobe does as a company, and how that affects their bottom line.monospaced
- So, where did you get that 95% from, because it sounds like you just made it up based on your bitterness over an hour's worth of work every month.monospaced
- Also, I'm not defending them in ANY way. I'm simply explaining to you that you're not seeing the big picture and your facts are wrong.monospaced
- Mono, the real number is 82% is from CS license and 18% from products, service and support. Proof > http://wwwimages.ado…Bennn
- My point is their revenues just keep going up and up and they have the guts to push a fees raise anyways because they own the market and dont care about us.Bennn
- Thanks for the broken link to nothing.monospaced
- weird for the link. but the numbers are good, soBennn
- I don't believe you.monospaced
- just look it upBennn
- I did. I spoke to their business team. You're wrong.monospaced
- shapesalad5
"Adobe Muse Product Announcement
As Adobe continues to re-focus on developing products and solutions that provide our customers with the most value, we are now announcing the end of new feature development for Adobe Muse CC.
On 26 March 2018 we will release the final feature improvement release of Adobe Muse"
Good to see our subscription money went into a software, marketing + all associated business costs, only for them to give up when they finally realise what they built was crap, bloated and nothing short of a glorified template editor.
Note to Adobe: reduce our subscriptions costs by not wasting money on nonsense new products that you then withdraw after a couple years. Just stick to making sure PS, AI, AE, IN, PR work on the latest os's and are lean and fast. Don't waste money on new nonsense novelty toys ain't nobody gonna use besides a few adobe fanboys, eg Character Animator, Dimension. And bring back Freehand you fascists!
- what do you expect from a rampant monopoly? respect for their customers? i think not - you're just seen as johnshans_glib
- All I want them to do is add in opencolour IO managementmugwart
- no serious professional ever touched this product that was clearly aimed at the hobby market.fadein11
- In one of my last jobs the client wanted to convince me that if I do the layouts and wireframing with AI he could reuse everything in Muse...oey
- I told him, you're gonna pay as twice as much for a job I'll be able to do with Dreamweaver or whatever...but he insisted.oey
- The developer told him to fuck off...cause...what should i do with all these files? So client ended up redoing everything in Muse.oey
- just worse...oey
- So all these people telling me it was a waste of time for me to learn how to code cause there's plenty of CMS and there's Muse and Mackaw...LOL...fuck off!oey
- muse product is far from a monopoly. Weebly, Wix, Squarespace, etc..etc.hotroddy
- ugh. I get the biz model of 'throw it out there and see what happens' but this is so counter to creating brand integrityGnash
- I used Muse a LOT and it's fucking awesome, especially for regular designers who don't want to be bothered with the bullshit tech aspect of page building.monospaced
- bloated? no fucking clue ... all pages were lightning fast and gorgeous, pixel perfect, ALWAYS WYSIWYG, every single time ... it was a godsend!monospaced
- hobbyist? sure, that's maybe how they marketed it, but in all honestly, that's all most people really needs in a site IMOmonospaced
- you're obviously not a "serious professional" mono /sGnash
- btw, I agree with 100%, monoGnash
- I think monospaced likes musepinkfloyd
- Fuse is a fucking godsend for building VR scenes in Unreal - prebuilt animated characters? Yes, thank you.face_melter
- It's works well for mono, so the point is, why don't they keep developing it? It's a waste of capital to develop a product only to ditch it couple years later.shapesalad
- If they keep developing it, improving it, it could become *the* wysiwyg website builder for the design community.shapesalad
- If they ditch it, we all should see out subscription fees going down, right?shapesalad
- I did like Muse, and I'm NOT a professional "web designer." It was made for traditional designers and it works almost identically to InDesign.monospaced
- ok fair enough, it's not a tool a pro web dev would ever touch is what I prob meant. Sorry for any offense caused lolfadein11
- and you are the first person I have ever heard say a good thing about it.fadein11
- monospaced really love Adobee
;-)Bennn - and my point is that not everyone needs a pro web dev because Muse actually does a great jobmonospaced
- I doubt you've heard many people say bad things about it either, if any at all. It wasn't a mainstream product.monospaced
- I thought it generated awful code, like most WYSIWYG editors. That's what I had heard. But fair enough if it was good. I am certainly not preciously attachedfadein11
- to my opinion in this instance.fadein11
- Bad code or not, anyone visiting the site would never know. Bad code isn’t visible to users. Nobody gives a shit about code when the site is working :)monospaced
- i_monk0
Are there still problems with the latest CC and version of OSX?
- fues0
Anyone else suddenly getting the message their payment info for Creative Clud isn't correct anymore?
- not yet. rates are going up though. perhaps related to thatGnash
- Yes because my card expired and I don’t need a subscription right now.monospaced
- Gnash0
Re adobe fee increase
a reminder to those whose membership renewal date is coming soon. You have the option to keep your current price for the next year by switching to the prepaid annual plan.
Prices went up on april 16th but you can still do it before your next renewal date.
- M01XXX0
I can't believe that After Effects still doesn't have a proper media import file manager/ window. Since it's existence AE's files/ media import has remained the same.
What I mean is and what is especially annoying: You try to import a video sequence that is made of .tiff's or .tga's or any other image format like 3D passes. And you then have to scroll through 100's and 100's of image files to pick the right sequence!
WTF. Why can't the sequences be grouped as one thumbnail and that allows you to scrub through it as well.
Like in FCP for example in screenshot below (although those are just video files and not image sequences but you get the idea...) or any other video editor or compositing tool.
- Also what's up with that scroll wheel function, am I right? What year is it?nb
- what? you select one file in your folder of image sequence, and it brings it all in. then you edit as required. just keep sequences organisedshapesalad
- I know that but I don't want to have to scroll endlessly to get to each sequence. Why can't they group image sequences as thumbnails?M01XXX
- Like each image sequence/ version as one thumbnail as in screenshot. And maybe with scrub playback preview function. Can't be that difficult.M01XXX
- api0
Hold on, there are more and more alternatives:
Dark Table Open Source Raw editing (very nice Lightroom alternative)
http://www.DarkTable.orgAffinity Photo
for Editing Colors (Mac and iPad)
https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb…Paint Net (Free photo editing for PC - not for professionals but nice and free)
https://www.getpaint.net/Gimp
https://www.gimp.org/
Open Source Photo editing software like Photoshop for Mac Linux and PC?
Its not Photoshop but the guys did an major upgrade a view days ago and very crazy for such a big project - its free!hope this helps some users that do not need the full commercial package.
- I now use Exposure X3 instead of Lightroom.Bennn
- opensource nuke and has AFX plugins:
http://opensourcevfx…mugwart - wrong link:
https://natron.fr/mugwart - this is free but limitiing.
https://www.blackmag…
cheap to buymugwart - resolve is a descent NLE as well. Thats free/cheapmugwart
- M01XXX-2
Apart from some annoyances here and there I don't understand all the hate for Adobe on here. Their stuff is cheaper than ever. $50-100 bucks per month, that's like a cup of coffee every morning per month. Or if you don't make money with it and just use it for fun/ personal use you can torrent it. And their tools got so much more powerful.
Yes there are some alternatives out there but nothing compares to it in complexity and options. And it's also industry standard.
- No. It's. Not. Cheaper.
It IS, if you bought every release - but most people didn't do taht, preferring to skip a release or two.detritus - I seriously can't get my head around why people don't appear to be able to see this.detritus
- Huh? The standard "All Apps" per year is $53 bucks per month. I really don't get it how that is expensive?M01XXX
- A) I'm not US
b) My point comparison is previously being able to buy a release every 2-4 years, not every year.detritus - C) I don't have or need the whole suite.detritus
- D) Personally, as I've said repeatedly - I don't ven need CC except to open client files. ALL the functionality I need and use I have on my CS4 CD.detritus
- E) Once every fucker moves to a subscription model, then see how much of an eye you have on your monthly spend.detritus
- You're in London/ UK? It's £50/a month. You can't afford that?M01XXX
- F) https://i.pinimg.com…detritus
- If you just need to open files then why not just torrent it. Geez.M01XXX
- old days: start a trade, buy the tools for the trade, earn money. replace tools when required.inteliboy
- today: start a trade, buy the tools (software), buy it again, and again, every day, for years, decades, if not till the day you die.inteliboy
- If a freelancer makes $3K-6K or more per month you're saying $50 bucks/mo is too much? WTFM01XXX
- Oh God, here we go again. of course I can afford it - THAT IS NOT THE POINT. If you're happy being ripped off, fine - I am not. Nor are others.detritus
- @inteliboy - I actually wrote a long diatribe using your exact-same analogy last time I argued about this here :) ..detritus
- How are you being ripped off? Like I said, if you just need to open client files torrent it. If you make $$ with it I don't see how $50/mo is too expensive.M01XXX
- its over priced its a closed of system. It also is an ageing product. Its not compatible with other softwares and their colour management is dire.mugwart
- .. except mine added the conceit of a tool which periodically renders itself incompatible with itself, for no good reason.detritus
- A plumber kits out his van with tools once. can use for 10+ years. A designer pays £500 X 10 years = £5000 + how many macs? = probably same cost as plumbershapesalad
- I fucking hate adobe!mugwart
- ^difference is plumbers tools don't get upgraded every 6 months. They just work. His tools are solid and reliable. Ours crash and don't work when we upgrade osxshapesalad
- well, besides van, plumbers tools are probably max £2k if he went all fancy. Buy a used van, probably 10year costs are lot less than a designers.shapesalad
- I regret not going into plumbing. Independent, mobile, not sat at desk all day. Don't need to relearn tools every few years. Don't need upgrades.shapesalad
- Then stop complaining and go get a plumber job. I'm sure you'd be much happier then than moaning about Adobe :)M01XXX
- we shouldn't ignore this. Its a terrible ecosystem and one that needs to be stood against. Raise up your wacom pens and revolt!mugwart
- It's not hate, it's resentment - Adobe used to be a beloved company to me, now I just see them as money-wringing cunts who overcharge for the same softwaredetritus
- I've been using for 20 years now, and paying for for at least 15. It's the same fucking thing, bar some pointless updates.detritus
- The more this model's agreed-with, the more it'll be rolled out and the more you'll see how expensive and damaging it is.detritus
- ^ yep.Gucci
- I ran CS2 for 4 years and it cost less than £1kkingsteven
- yeah, but can a plumber open an illustrator file with a wrench that he pays for on hire purchase?Fax_Benson
- If I have £40 extra in my pocket each month, I can finally afford that distance learning plumbing course.detritus
- their software are slower than ever always requiring more computer ressourcesBennn
- You guys are so mean to Adobe.M01XXX
- i met a few execs in the olden days and they talked openly about the level of piracy and well aware of the extent. their business holds a monopoly for profitkingsteven
- and development motivated as insurance against it. photoshop wouldn't be in the dictionary if there hadn't been millions of pirated copies, with CC they controlkingsteven
- the tap. anyway, i'd find it difficult to have any enamourment for such companies. the fact i have to use their software every day and it's an utter pain in thekingsteven
- - hole. unsurprising really.kingsteven
- 1. You have no knowledge or whatsoever about a lot of things in adobe products because of the complexity of the tools.sted
- 2. Production tools are so f expensive for teams.sted
- 3. And the most important thing in my aspect of view: CC is a scam. they miss 10 year old requests and it's and online updated stuff WHAT THE FUCK.sted
- I mean i draw with vectors in ps since 2002 and it's exactly the same today. Including the import/export formats and options.sted
- And still we're using a tool what was update 3 times just in the last month. So
adobe products great
adobe development sucks.sted - I don't smoke, don't take any drugs, I don't drink much alcohol or party much. I make good $$ so why would I complain about $50/mo for all Adobe CC apps?M01XXX
- Again, "If you're happy being ripped off, fine - I am not. Nor are others".
+1 Sted, others.detritus - I don't feel ripped off at all for $50/mo with all CC apps and supporting future development. It's less than a cup of coffee each day a month.M01XXX
- We use the same core of tools and functions since years in Photoshop. They add a bunch of toys and functions we never really use. And it = more syst ressourcesBennn
- this feels a bit like a circle here. M01XXX, you asked a simple question, you got your answer. You may not like it. You may not 'get it'....exador1
- you may disagree with it with all your heart. but...and this is the point. YOU'VE BEEN ANSWEREDexador1
- and for the record, my company here pays for the subscription, I have access to all of the software, and I only really use 3. photoshop, Illustrator & Indesign.exador1
- for basically EVERYTHING else, I use FIGMA now, which is fucking incredible.exador1
- all my design work now is in FIGMA. only time I use photoshop at all (almost feels weird to open it up) is if I need to actually mess around with a photo...exador1
- no design work at all now in adobe stuff tbh, it's all done in FIGMA... i keep illustrator around because for logo work, it's still the tits... and indesignexador1
- for a once-a-month print project...exador1
- I'll basically have to keep adobe around for those 3 things... the rest is useless to me.exador1
- so yeah, paying 'monthly' for those 3 things feels fucked up to me too.exador1
- i too am tired of being roped, tied and strung up to be pounded in the ass month after monthfuturefood
- ^woops, meant for blog thread ;Pfuturefood
- You guys sound like you earn $200 a month. $50 a month for all the CC apps is cheap imo.M01XXX
- Smart people understand the difference between cost and value. When you get older, maybe you'll learn.ETM
- Many have clearly outlined the use cases where the product is hardly used, but required on-hand, and they have no option than pay an unreasonable price forETM
- it compared to it's usage (value). Let's not forget their difficult process for cancelling a subscription without paying a penalty.ETM
- If you want it on a true monthly plan, rather than annual contract, paid monthly, then it's $80 USD per month.ETM
- If you just use it little and to open files then torrent it, FFS.M01XXX
- I don't drink coffee!!pango
- jesus fucking christ...exador1
- It's a steal in my book. I get buckets of monies in return.fyoucher1
- Fuck Adobe for discontinuing Fireworks — the best web design application bar none for over a decade — and replacing it with nothing. XD... LOL!mort_
- ^what? You didn't like muse??? :)futurefood
- One full billable day pays the whole year of CC, one week pays all the hardware I can use for 3+ years.mekk
- mekk, fyoucher... M01XXX is the only one bringing up the cost. Most folks understand that they need CC and pricing less flexible/ more expensive than CS was.kingsteven
- it's really not that hard to understand that people have issues with something they pay for and use every day.kingsteven
- No. It's. Not. Cheaper.
- oey1
one should be able to purchase by modules or packages/combis.
imagine they had 10 tools then sort of (no correct math):complete CC (10 tools)= 500€
one tool, let's say PS= 75€
two tools (AI + PS)= 135€
audio visual combo (3 tools)= 190€
etc...whatever.you could have pre-packages or make your own thing.
they would still make money.I don't need half of the software.
not even one third.
I don''t have to have it installed sure and it's nice to have Premier or After Effects for spontaneous stuff...besides it's there right?still I believe they could do differently.
besides
- fourth-2
I only use my adobe account for Typekit, the occasional online signature through Adobe Acrobat, and every once in a blue moon the After Effects animation.
- Krassy3
- "One design prototype and one design spec at a time can be shared, with a paid plan available to enable unlimited sharing"Gnash
- still good though. Sketch must be a wee bit anxiousGnash
- is sketch the new Quark?hotroddy
- CS3 for life. Or until it stops installing.section_014
- Also, wtf is XD? Does it export perfect xml resource files for Android?section_014
- Still think both are yesterday's news. Figma is where it's at :)exador1
- inteliboy0
2018 and adobe is the only company that still manages to crash my computer.
- Bennn1
just received an email from Adobe, the title of the email is :
"Understanding customers — It’s what we do best"
I laughed
- You’re a customer?monospaced
- You areBennn
- I am too. Adobe understands me... they give me affordable tools that I comprehend and put to use... and I stay in business. Hobbies are expensive, Bennny.PonyBoy
- I laughed, I said. I laughed. I said.Bennn
- lolTaschen
