Star Wars Episode VII
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- hans_glib0
meh - the new bad guy is making the promise to the helmet (ie symbol of dark side vader) to finish what the dark side vader started.
the fact that vader was turned by luke is irrelevant.
- ha listen to me, pretending i know what the fuck i'm talking about.hans_glib
- lolBluejam
- nope this makes perfect sense.fadein11
- What exactly did vader "start"? The Prequels started sith rule and the OG trilogy just showed it's continuation and end...dorkKn1ght
- The demise of the Jedi. Perhaps he has a vendetta against Luke and remaining Jedi or Force sensetives.ETM
- ETM1
Even if word got out Vader turned all puppies, kittens and sunshine in the end, people, especially fanatics, believe what they want to believe. Might assume it's a lie or conspiracy.
You can see that here EVERYDAY! :)
- Part of the Rebellion, socialist, disinformation machine. Wake up Empire sheeple!ETM
- G O L DO0O0O0
- Down with Blaster control laws. Blasters don't kill humanoids, humanoids kill humanoids.ETM
- Make Tatooine Great AgainO0O0O0
- Trump for emperorfadein11
- Build a wall to keep out the Sand People. Jawas are taking are jobs!ETM
- *ourETM
- dorkKn1ght0
What's currently the best way to re-watch the original trilogy? Will they re-release them right before the new movie?
- Continuity0
My interpretation of the masked guy is that he's probably just a funadmentalist psycho who hero-worrshipped pre-death Vader, and decided he was somehow chosed=n by whatever god this lot believe in to continue Vader's good work.
Also, let's not forget the Empire suffered a humiliating defeat, so it could very well be that it traggered some sort of Hitler-like figure, incensed at being defeated and humiliated by the Allies.
- Fuck me, I wish I wasn't such a nerd.Continuity
- Also, I'm disappointed at myself, spelling and typing like yurimon.
I need a shower.Continuity - Darth Tea Partygarbage
- CygnusZero4-3
I have a feeling they are making a bigger deal out of Vader than he actually was in the movies, just because its an iconic character.
What did he start? He was a henchman. Sidious started everything. And turns out Vader wasnt really that bad of a person anyway, just got lost and did some bad things.
Seems like the main baddie is a Vader fanboy for some reason and that just seems off to me. I hope the movie isnt all about that and thats just a little side thing, not the whole foundation of the plot. Vader was never THAT important. lmao he was basically Darth Maul with more lines.
- I know. No one in history has ever been remembered greater than what they were or had fanatics rally around seemingly less important figures or figure heads.ETM
- And no one in history has manipulated those fanatics for gain. Absurd.ETM
- You don't really know that much about the franchise do you?severian
- Me or him?ETM
- Vader was the leader of the empire. That's a pretty big deal.monospaced
- Sides was pretty much the leader of the empire, not Vader. Vader was Sidious's bitch.Josev
- "Sidious"Josev
- Gardener0
- posted the first one twice I didGardener
- LOLCygnusZero4
- @Gardener That is why you fail.ETM
- CygnusZero4-4
This actually was a big problem with the prequels too. WAY too much focus on a guy who wasnt event the pivotal character of the original movies. He was Sidious' bitch to run around and do the dirty work.
Its only because Vader became so iconic that suddenly even his own creator made a much bigger deal out of him than he was, and it seems like JJ might be doing the same thing too.
I hope this is just some side thing with this Kylo Ren guy and not the actual driving force of the plot. I hope Kylo is just some henchman too that will get killed at some point, with much more important people above him who the plot is really about.
- < Don't see the movie with this guy.ETM
- ^ This guy likes the prequels lolzCygnusZero4
- Yep. It's crazy like like some sort of religion(s) could get formed around a messiah or prophet, rather than just the divine being itself at the top. :)ETM
- I like the prequels. News to me. I learned about me today.ETM
- Hey, what about the Pope? Just another right-hand man that no one worships, looks to or fawns over, right?ETM
- Just saying.ETM
- Also Cygnus, you are aware the Lucas always have the general concept for the prequels and Vader origin in mind since Day 1?ETM
- So saying they built prequels around Anakin simply because Vader became popular is not true.ETM
- ^ yep you are right - the prequels were outlined at the same time as the original trilogy. it was all set up then.fadein11
- CygnusZero4-4
Its almost like Kylo Ren should have been holding something from Sidious, not Vader. But hey, Vader became iconic around the world, so lets not do what was logical, and lets just try and make the fans happy!
I havent seen the movie so im not shitting on the plot yet, just going by what Ive seen in these trailers. He's worshiping the wrong guy!
- I'm learning here. Was Palpatine and emperor of the people. Did he visit worlds in emperor-mobiles doing parades and generally being available and accessible...ETM
- to the imperial citizens?
*an emperor of the peopleETM - Sideous (Palpatine) was trained as a Sith since a child by Darth Plagueisseverian
- Seriously? It's a joke dude.ETM
- Not you, this cygnus tartseverian
- Unless sidious is still alive...dorkKn1ght
- ETM0
By your logic, wasn't Luke basically Ben and Yoda's henchman for much of the trilogy? A means to an end. I mean really, Vader/Anakin was the hero. Luke would have failed otherwise.
If Luke is heralded as a hero and saviour, he's a wee bit of a fraud.
- IRNlun60
I'm hanging on to the little bit of hope that they included some expanded universe storyline here. The new sith is Han and Leia's son, the girl is their daughter. Either their names have changed, or they are using aliases from when they where in hiding as kids.
- locustsloth0
You are forgetting that the Force was much stronger in Anakin/Vader than in any other recorded Jedi. That and the fact that he turned from Jedi to Sith would be enough for future baddies to use him as a figurehead or an example of what to aspire to (assuming that Vader's final moments were lost to time).
Also remember that trailers are edited versions of the movie, meaning that Vader's helmet and Kylo's words may not even be connected. Those shots certainly don't look like they are in the same space (unless they're keeping Vader's helmet on the dashboard of a Destroyer like a bobble-head Jesus)- For all we know Luke is keeping the burned Helmet.ETM
- ^locustsloth
- What if Kylo Ren is actually aspiring to do good and was referring to Obi Wan?...prophetone
- CALLES1
they need better blaster laws
- The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a blaster is a good guy with a blaster. Or one with magic and a laser swordlocustsloth
- Or sometimes a couple of bumbling robots. Or even a reverse mer-man, on accident.locustsloth
- DO YOU WANT TO OUTLAW ALL THOSE THINGS TOO?!?!?!locustsloth
- Because if so, i'd be ok with that last one being outlawed. Just sayin'locustsloth
- when you outlaw blasters only outlaws will have blasters_niko
- pretty sure the force can handle a few blastersmonospaced
- blasters don't kill stormtroopers, rebels kill stormtroopersdocpoz
- Stormtroopers don't kill Rebels... because they can't hit shit.ETM
- ernexbcn4
- Who's the artist?DRIFTMONKEY
- Can't really verify if it was Dan Mumford.Hayoth
- antimotion1
- serious much?antimotion
- feel the hate!inteliboy
- haha, Obi Wan Horatioprophetone
- none givendocpoz
- prophetone0
LMAO, the guy on left is priceless
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