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- sted15
- > http://yukoart.com/c…sted
- Well said, Yuko.PonyBoy
- Gary vaynerchuck is pissed right nowHayoth
- Godzilla piece in his portfolio. He's okay in my book : )dopepope
- she :)sted
- they :)fooler
- hmm so many of these anymore. fake ads. jsut not so clever.deathboy
- ^ how you know this is fake?pango
- how does anyone know anything anymore?!deathboy
- I think this is real as they did not take the time to fix small typos.eryx
- my reason to think it is the way its shared as an image without any source. this anon source is far to easily manipulated.deathboy
- Re-educating clients never works. Waste of time to write this stuff.SimonFFM
- why does someone want to log their response to an anon source? Clearly for self interest. I can create one of these daily on any craigslist post.deathboy
- for real why not publish the person and if sold as viral meme let them contest causes and reason. one sided vs anon is pretty fake as fuckdeathboy
- ill stick with my intuition over anything else. its served me pretty fuckin welldeathboy
- nahhh deathboy is a not real. hes a bot.pango
- He just need to voice itlessfloor
- @deathboy I never shared fake stuff here.
Yuko was asked to share this public so it's on her artist facebook profile now.sted - Get involved in the discussion over here Deathboy. https://www.instagra…PhanLo
- nahhh even then deathboy will say it's an elaborate performance to advance one self.
and quote benn "STAGED!"pango - he only believes in his feeling.pango
- omg deathboy go away already and stop poisoning this sitemonospaced
- And anyone who bases their beliefs on intuition alone is a fucking idiot.monospaced
- "how does anyone know anything anymore?!" - deathboygarbage
- Just because everything confuses you doesn't mean it confuses everyone. Maybe you're just dumb.garbage
- It's a letter about not working for exposure. It's a standard thing in this industry ffs. Either talk about that or fuck off already.monospaced
- no thanks phan. big fish stories not my thing. neither is social media. anyways its single sided hearsay and quite pointlessdeathboy
- but some basic questions my intuition sees is how this ask come by? Who are they? How and what was asked?deathboy
- you see this drivel content on petapixel all the time. and every article tries to show the work and get picked up and it is sooo formatted and lamedeathboy
- and more than most the work is meh. and Mono working for exposure is fine. If you have solid work it can pay offdeathboy
- worked for me. I still pick work for free or cheap just for exposure or for self interest in I really want to see my work in a big exposure project.deathboy
- but I also like the work, and not every project is my thing so I choose what I value. Now I know I've pissed off others for doing it. The whole union scab arguedeathboy
- ments of price controls to prevent competition and differences forms of value. Yea I don't see anything poisonous. Perhaps a bit healthy.deathboy
- why do you care? its not real! we're not real! how can you tell if anything is real?pango
- "No healthy"garbage
- If you work for free or exposure you are the lowest form of bottom scum of a hit designers and you are ruining the industry. Fuck off already. You fucking suck.monospaced
- But that also explains what a sorry sad pathetic naive ignorant fuck your are.monospaced
- Clearly this confuses you. That’s why everyone thinks you’re a fucking retard. Your shit writing and inability to stay on topic doesn’t help.monospaced
- haha mono u clearly have YOUR world view and ignorant of others. and pango dont forget who said reality is merely an illusion albeit a persistent onedeathboy
- what is real is largely objective from a point of reference. if something happens but no one believes it did it happen? depends on the referencedeathboy
- or is that subjective?... again reference. and mono "I drink your milkshake" and ppl are happy. what makes u think that isnt gooddeathboy
- it lowers cost for better design all around. after all it is a basic commodity which through globalization opens a ton of opportunity depressing prices in highedeathboy
- r cost economies. which is in fact a market redistribution of wealth based on value and trade. unless we tariff it. but it is quite progressive thinking anddeathboy
- with all your talk of such issues im surprised, well not really.. but hoped you see some your hypocrisydeathboy
- and mono if you like what you do. do it. all paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind. make you terms and enjoy it. if superbowl cam and said free work, and i haddeathboy
- the time outside paid gigs. say sure my vision no changes. im selfish as hell and no money to me matters in seeing my work on such a large stagedeathboy
- but... if you don't really like your work i could totally seeing chasing pay days. why not you don't care to see to really see itdeathboy
- different strokes for different folks. hardly is one any absolute answer. so grow up a bit. and grow a hemingway BS detectordeathboy
- "haha detector"garbage
- holy shit my illusion is quoting Einstein and totally out of context.pango
- dear my illusion. how can you tell if Einstein said that out of genuine place instead of to promote one self? and was Einstein real?
how can you tell?!? O_Opango - you can use reason pango. but you cant always expect others to know what you know and see things from your perspective :) such is the worlddeathboy
- nahhh you shouldnt trust other people. they're not real as well. they're all just in your head.pango
- lol pango stop, you're going to trigger an incoherent Walmart shooting.garbage
- i dont trust most ppl pango :) you clearly dont trust me. what is the difference right. back to the point of what to trust.... and to the point i still call BSdeathboy
- cant prove it and you cant not prove it. you shrug with your belief based on your ability to perceive reality. not really a big dealdeathboy
- and if my base instinct is proven wrong its like meh. so inconsequential to my life. you do agree you cant prove it right?deathboy
- i guess my thing is is this hook set in people. shit is pushed out and you say yay or nay as caeser standards. but do ppl actually feel theyre right?deathboy
- its not just a cup trick, its in the middle and move on? its up there with sport team A is the best vs sport team B for me.deathboy
- oh and ha i never even heard of the nationals baseball team until trump elevated them. astros yea big nolan ran fan as a kiddeathboy
- politics and sports hahadeathboy
- gees, another multi notes reply from deathboy... there is a difference between not trusting people and not trusting illusion. i thinking reading all these vaguepango
- philosophy quotes has got you all confused. i actually trust most people or give em the benefit of the doubt till they give me a reason not to trust them.pango
- if everyone go by your random statement or quotes, they never really face facts or reality. they cherry pick whatever benefits them and call it fact then callspango
- everything else fake.
wow... that sounds awfully familiar to the current political climate in the states.... who would have thought....pango - by that analysis... i think its a safe bet you voted for trump.pango
- haha no pango ididnt. i actually stated on multiple occasions here to ignore him becuase if u take the bait he wins,deathboy
- but you get the cherry pick now. wether you beleive it or not. its the way the world works. few are outside it.deathboy
- thin k abut it this way which side has hardest probelm with dealing with a trump reality they didnt predict?deathboy
- ad i never voted until last election. getting old and thinking "my vote" counts. i voted johnsonsdeathboy
- no chance in hell in hell but wanted him to have a vote record. becuase the best ideas are not going to come from established partiesdeathboy
- our whole idea of party is full of shit voting fodder. hardly is any rep different than a dem in office.deathboy
- dude i could go on for hours about disfunctional systems and its human cohorts . but what is the point if the people dont get it?deathboy
- do i force them in a china way. Or just shrug make comments on obscure blog and make the best of the situation?deathboy
- ya. no. ignoring the facts doesn't make it fake. im sorry that you have strayed away from reality. or feel that's the only way to get by.pango
- @Sted, do you know Yuko?
Omg... her works are AMAZING!
So so talented! :)Fabricio
- sinjun10
Client takes me out for lunch last August
After going waaaaaay over the time (due to them faffing) I originally had planned to finish the job and charging them nothing extra. Finished - Looks great.
Client asks me to do another job
Explain I can’t do it as I’ve taken on a full-time role.
Client asks me to pay for half the lunch (6 months later)
- absolutely insane! never speak with this person again.capn_ron
- lol. awesomeGnash
- pay for it. lolumbee54
- fuck it... step up as the biz owner (they're the client after all) and pay for the WHOLE lunch. Then, in good biz owner form—send a bill for the 'faffing' time.PonyBoy
- I had to Urban Dictionary "faffing"Krassy
- pay them for half the lunch in penniesKrassy
- They gave me their Paypal... Everytime I think about paying it I just end up laughing to myself and closing the browser... It's only £25 lolsinjun
- pay the whole amount, as pony suggestedGnash
- Pay the whole thing. Lolpango
- Lunch 6 months ago? Go the penny route
And throw some pocket lint in there.futurefood - pay them in notes with I AM A CUNT written on them in black marker.microkorg
- haha yea, bind them with Set PSBfuturefood
- Mail a carton of vomit, tell them you are returning the lunch.shapesalad
- ^lolmoldero
- Send it over Venmo and be vocal about paying for a 6 months old half-lunch....everyb... will see that.Maaku
- pay the lunch without another word saidimbecile
- Buy whatever you had for lunch, freeze it for 6 months and then mail it to them. Frozen no packaging, just place it on a cardboard packaging boxMiguex
- sprinkle food with packing peanutsMiguex
- pay everything. charge farfisa time. fuck them.oey
- http://blog.goldenea…VectorMasked
- Just pay this silently, no words. They have connections as well and they also speak to other people. You just don't know the future.mugwart
- Pay full- and send thank you swagnotype
- pay him in strip club billsmekk
- Hayoth2
Got a referral.
Client: We need a new power point master template that can help create consistency between all engineering sales teams. New business card designs and new letterhead design will print in office with sales letters.
Me: Ok sounds easy enough.
Client: but I am going to do a couple designs and send them to you and you can make them better.
Me: $6500
Client: No thanks
Lol
- That all sounds like one day's work. Maybe $600 is more appropriate.freedom
- 600% powerpoint taxGuyFawkes
- Probably $1500 job but when he said he wanted to do some designs and send them to me to 'clean up' - i just wasn't the type of client I want to work with.Hayoth
- Hope the person who referred you doesn't get blamed for your ridiculous prices.omahadesigns
- one days work. lol. you've clearly never done this before. at least not well.sofakingback
- That's at least a week's worth of back and forth, headaches, client cuntery, and 'move this to left 2px' micromanaging from the client.Continuity
- 6500 was a generously discounted offer for that kind of pixel-pushing bullshit.Continuity
- this is the can't lose method. its obviously going to be a crappy job, but if he says yes. You made bank. No, didn't do a shitty job.sothere
- +1 continuity. no way this is a one-day jobGnash
- Definitely not a one day job. Reminded me of this https://cdn.mos.cms.…Hayoth
- What continuity said. If you aren’t charging at least $3k for this then you aren’t doing it right. This is a few days, plus print and tech support for pptmonospaced
- Just so we are clear. I purposely bid this job high because the client expressed to me he wanted me to be the designer and then I could make his stuff better.Hayoth
- http://graphicloads.…whatthefunk
- ^ makes me laugh everytimehotroddy
- lol@moldy
powerpoint tax...spot on!!!utopian - "...your ridiculous prices" Come on mate. smhGucci
- I love the "I'm going to create a couple of designs and send them to you " You should have quoted 8500riteshpatel
- Cocky. I wouldn't refer you again. There are other ways to do it. Learn to feed your ego better food.canoe
- ^ Ill' try that with my dentist, see if it works: "Learn to feed your ego, you expensive cocky bastard!"Maaku
- lol it’s not cockymonospaced
- I don't know why you'd turn down money, at least wait until you see his/her designs.zarkonite
- sted10
This one, will be a bit different:
A really old contact sent me an email 3 months ago, requesting a quote for some work on an existing system with multiple web-shops. After reviewing the stuff we came to a conclusion: it's a complete mess, from the old insecure server where root owns everything, to the fact that the main system wasn't working without cloudflare (ssl hack). Faked git (manually opened .git dir, and copypasted example config lol). Databases with wrong charsets, sites are running on various mvc-s like laravel, magento 1-2 and some wordpress/woocommerce, and product sync scripts using the wrong url for json data.
It's a miracle how they still managed to sell 90k/day on one site.We wanted to take over the entire client not just the shitty bug-fixing, so we built a strategy. The hard part was convincing the stakeholders to move away from the old developer team:
- The old guys are from India and they are a team of 15.
- The owners are emotionally dependent, as they grew with the old developer team in the past 7 years
- The contact doesn't has a strong position
- We have to take over the hosting so we can actually see what's happening.
The goal was to prove that we can do everything faster and better without asking for anything.
+ We bought a performance server, set it up properly and made a copy of the entire system with all the sites and details as a development location. Hired a proper sysadmin to monitor and manage the server.
+ In the first month we fixed more than 140 bugs, without a word and started to communicate the basic issues about how some of the things are built and what can we do about it. We kept track of the fixed bugs, and documented the ones made by the old team. (things like: mini-search template in ansii encoding broke the elastic-search engine)
+ On the new server everything was faster, cheaper and we were asked to move the sites one-by-one from the old location to the new one :)
+ A month ago we moved one critical site what was still under development and the old dream-team has to work on it.
+ Started monitoring that user on the server, and recorded every single network activity, command or visit from their ip.
- one ip, one device, one browser, same time-frame (team of 15 my ass)+ While doing this we made an investment and built our own version of the exact same site.
Three weeks ago they had a beta deadline which failed, but they billed 140 hours of php dev on magento for the project.
My contact wanted us to help them out, to get the site done before april 30. But we asked for some time to review their work. This time was used to collect all data about the shit the old coders have done.
They spent net 21 (billed 140+20) hours of actual work on the server doing fun things like misspelling foreach in php and trying to fix that by restarting the php-fpm service.
This week we prepared a nice and readable package from the logs, with the new site what was made in the background and waited.
Today I got a message that we have to lock out the old team from all locations, and prepare to sign a service and development contract for a year.
fucking win. so much win.
- Nice! Your detailed process and show the work method really paid off.Hayoth
- Well done!zarkonite
- well played. outsourced india -1 point.shapesalad
- Awesomenessriteshpatel
- So very awesome, but was there any anxiety about doing all that work (im assuming unbilled?) and having them just screw off and stick with the other guy anyway?mantrakid
- the bugfixing was paid, where we took risk was at investing into the server and building the mirror.
anxiety on my end was daily about this project.sted - Nice!
Paragraph 1 confirms that I am so far gone from the world of web design lol.stoplying - nice workcanoe
- aslip10
Used a stock image of an industrial building for a client publication ad. Just got email requesting the 3D file of the building.
- ‘fax over asap’prophetone
- They want to rotate the view to see the building from the other side. Can't you just 'photoshop' that?ETM
- Even better... They want to use it for a VR experience.aslip
- "Just use the 3D button in photoshop, I remember using it years ago." Clientwhatthefunk
- Send them a file with a few cubes and say all the detail was in the textures and that you can't send those because of policy.face_melter
- makes me sweat just thinking about those types of clientsSunSunSun_
- set5
Just had a client ask..
'Can we maximise the RGB colours please?'
No. No we can't.
- lolmonospaced
- you should max all the other colours, just to piss them off.Fax_Benson
- what does that even mean?oey
- No ideaset
- https://www.pyimages…ETM
- maximize efficiently to stay under budget.umbee54
- product mgr at a record label once admonished me for not using 'all the colours' in a 4-colour ad magazine ad. "we payed for ALL the colours!"Gnash
- GNASH:
Bhahahahaha!
I bet he felt so smart saying thatMiguex - lolset
- and it was for this album
http://loudwire.com/…Gnash - Butterflies can see light that humans cannot see, should have asked if they were related.Maaku
- send them a Set psb giffuturefood
- Give them to a wider gamut! ... to nerdy!mugwart
- _niko8
So we pitched an engineering firm for a decent sized project and they finally approved it after whatever internal approval process they had in place.
The pitch was 8 years ago.
- hahah, but they get to pay the same rate, right?
Right?Nairn - Haha fuck no...was thinking the same thing_niko
- 8 years of inflation... double up!Gnash
- HS2?BaskerviIle
- That's engineers for ya. Get ready for them to question every step of the project, and your resultscanoe
- lolmilfhunter
- hahah, but they get to pay the same rate, right?
- Gnash11
- I can say this one's never happened to me.
But it would make me want to stab my eyeballs with pencils if it did.Continuity - hahaha_niko
- thing that we found on the internet MADE BY ANOTHER ARTISTProjectile
- Sounds like 70% of all the clients I've ever worked for (inc some CDs).matski
- I can say this one's never happened to me.
- lemmy_k6
I just had a client ask if I could custom make four barstools for half price because I am out of their price range. What an insult.
- Tell them you can, but the stools will only have two legs each.shapesalad
- Tell them to stop doing coke and that way they will stop squeezing their suppliersOBBTKN
- sounds like a real bar stewardFax_Benson
- Lol shapelemmy_k
- lol shapeYakuZoku
- They should be embarrassed... imagine waking into a Porsche dealership and demanding a 911 for half price because it's out your price rangeprophetone
- Or politely let them know you can build two now for that budget, and when they secure the remaining half of budget you can make two moreprophetone
- LOL prophetone. I used a Lamboghini analogy for my son.lemmy_k
- +1prophetone
- should've said you could do some table stools for that price. they're half the height :Pmicrokorg
- I remember someone saying that Americans don’t know how to haggle.monospaced
- sted7
- At least they know how to use Figma.zarkonite
- Not to mention usually at least one if not many of those changes really affect also some of the other pages, so double or triple the changes overall hahahaaagrafician
- Or a nifty and (too) smart assistant.sted
- sted you have an assistant?! woaahgrafician
- me, no. well sort of, but she isn't doing stuff like that. our contact has one.sted
- Technical Writersmaquito
- This made me want to create a world map made of Figma comments. Never gonna do it though. Bye.maquito
- Pack your things and say bye!!OBBTKN
- i would never share my open designfiles to review. A pdf. is enough to give feedback that matters.milfhunter
- when you have a workflow where the clients team is integrated into the design process these things are natural.sted
- they did a review without interference or supervision from our end, and went for it big time pushing everything into one session.sted
- 80% will be obsolete after the next QA.sted
- Interesting way of working.milfhunter
- removes a lot of additional resource requirements from our shoulders, and makes things like research easier.sted
- plus don't have to pay for legal review,
or specialized 3rd party consultants.sted - 191 comments ain't badnb
- Salarrue9
- too nice, why sorry?Beeswax
- Because he didn't stoop to the other guy's level.Nairn
- Sorry he had to let the job go. Client didn’t have to do this, it’s on him.monospaced
- Must be nice to say no to a bankroll of 5200.dibec
- drgs0
- lolGuyFawkes
- lol these can't be real can they?MrT
- lovelypockets
- is fake shitty work offers a meme thing?
"have fun in hell bitch" is funny thoughFax_Benson - I like these, must be fake.utopian
- If real, i would definitely have answered more respectfully, regardless of the cunty request. Stay projagara
- what is subs on yt?mg33
- subscribers on youtubeSteveJobs
- Yeah, probably going to start using "have fun in hell bitch" as my professional signature.garbage
- How would you have replied? Cuz I seriously would have replied "fuck off"pango
- ^ your yt subs will love to follow this, paste in all socal media platformsmugwart
- Wow, what a lunatic!MondoMorphic
- Nairn7
I've just got rid of a long-term client.
They build robots and have always been interesting, but each new project they start is a new company, with a new engineer / point of contact, so I'm always doing the same old dance, bringing them up to speed. In and of itself, it's a little infuriating, but the projects have always been cute and I've always been kept in the loop and given enough time and info to turn around.
Latest iteration.. less so. New point of contact is infuriating to deal with - leaves everything to the last minute, never listens to what I say, insists upon specifying impossible materials and pushing the designs of possible materials too far, always sends the wrong files, set up incorrectly, etc etc.
I got a new batch for another job from him late on Friday and I scanned it and thought "Fuckit, I'll deal with that tomorrow". Thankfully, as he re-sent all the files again this morning as they were all a bit wrong. That in of itself would have been a grand waste of my time had I started last night. I take a better look at the specs - three materials I don't cut, one of which I'm not even sure exists; The designs have technical details that are Bad that I've mentioned to him previously (repeatedly) and on top of all that, they have a stupidly-tight deadline, despite the fact he first mentioned this batch about two weeks ago, but made no mention of the materials, etc. If he had, I might've been able to squeeze it in. But no, he's basically sent a job that I couldn't start until Monday, at which point I could only order materials which wouldn't make it in time for his mid-week deadline, never mind my being able to do my thing and then mail back. Just really ill-considered.
Me being me though, I fretted about how I'd accomplish this for longer than I should this afternoon, a stressful lump growing in my stomach as I appreciate how Hard this would be until I realise - "I don't have to do this, do I? This isn't actually my problem". So I'm not. Bye-bye old client. I'm sure I'll get a call from his boss on Monday asking WTF, but hey.
- oops that was a long whinge! Sorry.
Ignore.Nairn - so you got your hands on multiple companies or its always one just the brand and the contact changes?sted
- well... you're a single point of possible failure, eg, if ill or injured. Perhaps tell them you can off work ill.. please send grapes and whiskey...shapesalad
- @sted - it's one 'organisation' that sets up a new company and employees for each new project which then gets sold on if successful (last one to Bosch)Nairn
- as I say, it's always been a bit faffy, but interesting. This time around the contact's dismal and I've not been kept in the loop so I'm not emotionallyinvestedNairn
- Good for you...I've "let go" a few clients over the years when the cost they were incurring just didn't make sense.yuekit
- gotcha. and you never felt like going with the projects they let go, or craft out some long term solution for yourself?sted
- oh, it's an interesting thing to have a small thalidomide hand in, but it's not at all my focus.
I have no idea what my focus is.Nairn - to be clear - i'm merely a minor, replaceable part of the flow of these people. A small cog. It was just an interesting relationship, whilst it lasted.Nairn
- oops that was a long whinge! Sorry.
- BusterBoy6
Some clients are just using the coronavirus thing as an excuse not to pay their bills and it's really starting to shit me. I have a few clients on monthly retainer...and virtually all have stopped paying. They're too freaking stupid to notice that I can monitor their web sales...and the industry they are all in...they are all selling a shitload of product.
May be time to lawyer up.
- +1 the only way to mitigate prolonged recession is for those who can afford it to carry on paying contractors, subscriptions etc etc.Fax_Benson
- if those with the money pull up the drawbridge we're fucked.Fax_Benson
- Same here. I had one client that was two months overdue on an invoice that stopped responding to emails and calls.monoboy
- A college buddy of mine ran a decent sized agency, doing good work. When his kid got seriously ill, a handful dumped him whilst he was taking time away.monoboy
- Doesn't matter if you're providing a good service that makes your clients money. There are no loyalty or morals out there.monoboy
- #loyaltiesmonoboy
- Yup, lawyer time. All sorts of cunts are going to try and weasel their way out of having to pay during this time. Don't let them.Continuity
- Cunts. and lol @ 'They're too freaking stupid to notice that I can monitor their web sales'.Nairn
- Clients, companies and governments*Maaku
- Projectile3
Clients reached a whole new level of stupid a few days ago.
Video guy in our team makes a video. Adds a soundtrack, and of course times every cut in the entire video to said soundtrack.
Client 1: Awesome! I love this song, it's XXX by the Killers.
Client 2: Ooh the Killers? that sounds a bit ominous! Maybe we shouldn't use a band with such a scary name! Can you please use another song? k thx
Not the lyrics of the song. Not the song name. The name of the fucking band, which isn't credited, so only those who know the song well will know.
Jesus
Hannibal
Christ
- maybe run the track by the client first before doing the end (and make sure client runs it by their stakeholders).shapesalad
- Did a TV commercial once, we spent 1 day filming, a few days editing, about 3 weeks to choose the "right mood music"...grafician
- It's like dealing with children. Explain the entire process slowly, twice, before starting. Then reiterate why such changes will be billed when requested.monoboy
- They all think changes are trivial.monoboy
- I once went through 36 drafts of a single document once. Reluctantly, but happy in the knowledge that each draft was paid for.monoboy
- You cut an entire video to a single track only without client approval or presenting options?zarkonite
- Could it have been avoided by getting pre-approval on the song / a rough cut, etc?mantrakid
- I struggle with the same things, too. There’s no way you can educate or convince a client. You just need to breathe in and accept it.SimonFFM
- Aghh! I feel you, bromaquito
- MrT5
"Thanks for all the logo files, but I think you missed a couple. Could you send a JPEG of the white version."
- Everysingletimethumb_screws
- sure honeyOBBTKN
- LOL!sab
- I really thought this was behind us : (MrT
- whatthefunk0
New client keeps talking about Ayn Rand & Objectivism and how everyone in the company is heavily inspired by The Fountainhead as their north star. It's been brought up in 75% of the conversations so far.
What's up with that - cultish or just a powerful guiding principle people adhere to?
- odd. not very woke of them.Gnash
- Run. Although they might be loaded. Do the job and run.Fax_Benson
- Why though? Politically speaking are most Rand followers Libertarian? I just don't get it - I read that book in high school and meh tbh...whatthefunk
- Tech libertarians are kind of a silicon valley thing, right? Maybe they're just channeling startup mantras... have they mentioned how lean and agile they are?monNom
- Rand was a better writer than philosopher. Her stories were appealing to my teen self, but once I got into her essays and she lost me.Gnash
- what industry are they?Gnash
- I'm not going to overshare but I can't get a clear read on the core characteristics of an Objectivistwhatthefunk
- But this is more than a mantra, this goes way deep. If anything it's fascinating even if I don't subscribewhatthefunk
- objectivism; don't design on whim or personal expression. use strategy and deliver work that directly solves their concerns.doesnotexist
- runmonospaced
- ^why though?!?whatthefunk
- ^ many people erroneously conflate Rand's philosophy, and the principles of Objectivism, with authoritarian politics.Gnash
- so the knee-jerk reactions is, NAZIS!!Gnash
- if they're getting tiresome, ask them how Rand lived out her final years, and how much she actually believed her supposed philosophy.detritus
- ^ :) good for she she died 'cause she'd never hear the end of thatGnash
- her*Gnash
- Well, it's true. I flit between hyper liberalism and hyper fascism through each moment of my day —it's all just theoretical bullshit 'til truth shits on conceitdetritus
- I think the highest of ideals must be those that are beyond my own and generally-shared. The older I get, the more obvious this becomes.detritus
- Know very little about her but just looking into it briefly objectivism lines up with a lot of my beliefs._niko
- people want nothing but mirrors around themimbecile
- It only seems cultish if you are a communist.Hayoth
- He probably thinks you are a snowflakeHayoth
- sted3
An old client of mine who was a domain broker died last year in april. His kid who is an "artist" (shitty painter) contacted me to build a site where he can sell the domains and do some consultation because he has no idea how these things work.
We build and audited a dedicated server, developed the whmcs+wocommerce extensions for domain as product management, and started creating the shop. We had some awesome ideas to create something what isn't looks like garbage and actually sells the stuff. After 2 f. months on the design the site looks like something from the '90, and well we have to stick with that. Quick development, most of the stuff we wanted will be in the second phase.He started being an asshole after the third month saying that the site is shit and the didn't sold a single domain. I told him that he should think about the prices and we need to develop the marketing tools.
Now after 3 months of silence I got a CALL from his secretary because he was thinking that we paid for the server and only we can contact the support and the site was down.
It turned out that it's nothing serious just a scheduled maintenance at the hosting company.checked the site he is down to 5k per domain lol. and back in bed with his dads old partners Uniregistry Market :)
rocmary dot com it's a fucking beauty.
- Looks more like a site from the early 00s! ;)
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His prices are a little... er.. I'd just choose something else, personally. Fuck thatdetritus - as a canuck, the 'group of seven' domain is a good oneGnash
- Too much for a bunch of random ass names.Maaku
- damn, no wonder he isn't selling domains. they aren't worth what he's asking. groupofseven.com hahaha.capn_ron
- ^ I think that one has at least that valueGnash
- fuck him, these domain squatters are the worst human beings, up there with traffic ticket "cops". I hope he doesn't sell a single one._niko
- The site is not as bad as I pictured in my mind. But it's close.ETM
- shitest domains ever.microkorg
- Looks more like a site from the early 00s! ;)
- nb3
This is a long, old, and boring story. And a puzzle! Help me understand!
Website client owed me $2800. Commercial industrial parts reseller, this is a very small expense relative to his business. Also I don't care that much because it's not much money. Still, it's mine, pay me muthafucka.
Doesn't pay. Literally years go by, I make regular requests for payment. A few "sure, we'll send a check soon" for a while, but after a few months they responses stop. I'm not charging interest and I'm not doing any work for them. No big deal.
Finally, I just say fuck it maybe the owner died or something who knows. I disable the site and put up a polite "Our website is currently down, please call, thank you."
This, of course, also stops their email accounts from working.
It's a small family business, just a couple employees. Two days later I get an email from the owner's dad. It is full of wild excuses including someone got cancer, a divorce, very hard times, etc. Keep in mind I haven't heard from them in YEARS.
He makes no indication that they will attempt to pay ever. I reply that I understand but there are expenses to keep a website running and I've been more than fair by keeping it up all this time, and I am not charging interest on payment due. Can we work out a payment plan? I tell him I am happy to flip the site back on and hand over all materials and the domain and everything to them for free, just pay me the $2800 you owe, in installments if necessary.
No response.
About a week later I get an email from a "local businessman" (seriously that's how it started, "Hello, I am a local businessman..." lolololol) interested in purchasing the .com domain from me. Never in the 7 years I ran this website has anyone ever offered to buy the domain. It's not even a good domain.
Guy leaves a name and a phone number. I google the number, turns out it's just the owner's friend. Now I assume they've come up with a moronic ploy to trick me into buyiing back the domain and I'm expecting they will offer a lower price. I imagine they were drinking some beers when they came up with this genius grift.
So, I play stupid and email him "I would need to hear an offer before I would consider selling it. I am open to offers, let me know what you had in mind."
He offers me $2800. The exact amount owing on the account. Lolwut???
I email him I accept the offer, thinking hey-o I'll get my money and be done with it. I don't know why we had to do this whole sneaky Ocean's 11 rigamarole, but whatever.
I tell him I accept.
AND THEN I NEVER HEARD FROM ANY OF THESE CLOWNS EVER AGAIN.
Tell me why. Make it make sense.
- This should be made into a movie.cherub
- $2800 is a whole month's bills. I usually don't chase after $200 but would for $2800.doggydoggdog
- Should disable after 3 months of non-payment.doggydoggdog
- Lolthx for the business advice, but... Cutting off whenever wouldn’t guarantee payment, and why cripple a small business when I can easily cut them a break?nb
- Recoup your costs by selling the site to their competition.noneck
- Did you even read the storynb
- The local businessman ruse is simply to deflect attention from the owner owing $2800. Now you are thinking someone is gonna pay $2800 for the domain....shapesalad
- That makes no sense. Was he thinking I would transfer the domain before payment?nb
- You could still chase the owner for the monies owed - $5600 totes, cha-chingNairn
