Mayor Nola rants!
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- Crouwel0
but look, come on, you can't point fingers, that Hurricane was coming through and bashing that region and there wasn't much anyone could do about it. they live in a basin
JazX
(Sep 2 05, 08:30)well, we can easily point fingers. the feds cut the budget several times so i read on plans to strengthen levees and other related structures.
i guess Bush needed some money to relief the rich and to throw some bombs on Baghdad.
- Crouwel0
jazx, this is near where i live,
it is called "Stormvloedkering" to prevent us from flooding in heavy storms, like we had in 1953..
this project costs us many many BILLIONS, now that is a hell of a lot of money for such a small country as NL, even though we are not poor, there were even taxes that were raised in other to fund this mega project!
- mrdobolina0
yup janne, you can definitely point fingers.
- Crouwel0
costs = costed
- Crouwel0
here's more info:
http://www.delta2003.nl/index.ph…
i have relatives who were victimized by then.. i know the stories of flooding..it's terrible.
- moural0
But Janne, the thing is you choose to live there. Like me, I love the sun, I love the water, but I also realize the dangers. If the city isn't willing to enforce strict building codes on private and public structures, then they're putting their own citizens at risk. If they need more funds, then raise taxes if you must. If people can accept a tax hike for a new stadium, surely they will listen when it comes to their own safety?
- IRNlun60
Does anyone else recall the news, the weather channel, cnn, fox etc... claiming how lucky NOLA was because they didn't receive a direct hit? They received what amounted to be a cat2 or 3 type wind gust which is pretty bad but not worst case scenario. The problems in NOLA are a direct result of inadequate levy construction. Blame that on whomever but in today’s engineering ability this was absolutely preventable.
- Crouwel0
you are absolutely right about that, moural.
yep and i choose to live here, although most of my friends moved to cities like Amsterdam.
i love sun, nature, sea and all that shit, and i take the dangers with that.
:)
- Crouwel0
Irlnun,
the force went down very rapidly from 5 to 3 to 2..
the far outskirts of Nola certainly have dealt with 3 or higher, possibly 4 or even 5..
the floods that come with such power are not stopped that easily..
- JazX0
Has anyone mentioned the fact that they could have organized Cruise Ships to pick up people and get them out via docks. Let them live on it or transport them to a dry camp. Tax deductible for corporate entities, etc., etc.
If the US Government can use imminent domain for land, why can't they do it in case of emergencies like this. Like GIVE US YOUR SHIPS and we'll compensate you.
BTW, I just thought of something. Generally, they use outside cities for sites for tent camps and rescue centers. Nola is a basin, can't do it there. Outside of Nola is still just as bashed up. Biloxi, Mississipp got messed up as well as Mobile, Alabama.
- JazX0
well, we can easily point fingers. the feds cut the budget several times so i read on plans to strengthen levees and other related structures.
i guess Bush needed some money to relief the rich and to throw some bombs on Baghdad.
Crouwel
(Sep 2 05, 08:34)that's BS on Feds cutting resources on levees, show me documentation on this. This could have been tackled for many presidencies, including Clinton's. It's a failure to prepare in general.
- ghandolf0
I agree about the sick and elderly not being able to evacuate, and the transportation systems, flights out, etc., were all swamped with those seeking a way out, but the evacuation order given beforehand was largely ignored.
People were told to leave or evacuate to the Superdome. The buses, which were offering 'free' rides out of town, were there the day before the storm, while people were lined up outside the Superdome, choosing to stay there instead. Some buses left empty the day before the storm... bus rides that were free, to the evacuation areas outside of town.
The following day, after the storm, the offcials went on TV to proclaim they "dodged the big one" - people went to bed.
...THEN the levee broke.
Overnight, the water rose and stranded everyone that survived the storm. People who hunkered down and survived, including the sick in the hospitals, the elderly in nursing homes, etc,. as well as those who chose to stay found themselves stranded by water..
Are there people that should have listened, and left? Sure.
Are there people that should have left, but couldn't? Sure.
Are there people that chose to stay, who really had no choice? Sure.
Preparing for a storm, and storm damage, is one thing. Preparing for a disaster of this magnitude is another.
Having to deal with both at once, demands a huge effort. Being shot at, while trying to rescue people is inexcusable. The huge relief effort is underway, but it takes a couple of days to moblize an effort this large.
Everyone knew that the levee would only withstand a Category 3 hurricane. This was a Cat. 5, and everyone knew it was coming for days.
The Bush Administration, (as well as prior Administrations) have slashed budgets, and denied requests for Levee fixes and repairs for years. Repairs that would have cost some $10 Million dollars - money that was needed for Homeland Security and for Iraq in the last few years of requests from NOLA.
Now is will cost BILLions!
It's many, many things... all coming together at once. There are huge failures and breakdowns of infrastructure, communications, and even some of the police have handed in thier badges, because they also have lost thier homes, and don't feel that stopping people from looting something to eat or drink, and getting shot at, is worth it anymore.
Once the police set the tone, stating that they couldn't stop people from looting, and were completly overwhelmed, ... the 'tone' had been set.
Sorry for the long post.
Pray for them. They will need help for long, long time.Enjoy what you have, and be thankful.
(And thanks, Crouwel for the mp3!)
- Crouwel0
"Has anyone mentioned the fact that they could have organized Cruise Ships to pick up people and get them out via docks"
how would you want to get them there? it would take a while to get the ships on location and in order.. and there's only one road that goes out of Nola and busses followed that route.
cruiseships would be a complicated thing jaz.. not to mention you cannot move people around the harbours there..
unpossible.
- Crouwel0
> tax cuts:
read up jazx.
it's mentioned EVERYwhere.
- Crouwel0
not tax cuts.. sorry.
i'm out to get some dinner..
laterzz..
- JazX0
It's totally possible. you line up Cruiseships that are in the general vicinity, which have to number in the 50's or so. Have you been to the Caribbean region or on a cruise? Those ships groove on fulll blast. You get the sick and elderly out on them. Evacuate them to a nearby dock and load them up.
- JazX0
I mean tax deductions, right-off's, man it's an American thing
- toe_knee0
jazx i've only read half this thread, but i hope the good folkds of nt made you ssee the light.
This mayor has been shouting for funds for the levee for years. He was told it'd have to wait as homeland security is more important.
The below the line income people were told to evacuate, they had to head to the dome building and await buses. Buses which never came. They are still there.
What chances do tens of tousands of people have of 'hitchiking' out of a city thats evacuating.
Why dont the africans hitch hike out of your beloved africa?
ffs man, your a good guy but you say some dumb shit.
- Crouwel0
Evacuate them to a nearby dock and load them up.
JazX
(Sep 2 05, 09:36)and that my dearest friend, is jsut the problem..nevermind.
i'm out.
- JazX0
Why dont the africans hitch hike out of your beloved africa?
ffs man, your a good guy but you say some dumb shit.
toe_knee
(Sep 2 05, 09:38)dumb shit, check moural's post. Hurricane survivor in Florida. You guys are clueless...
You get out!
Hell, little do you know there are refugee camps all over Africa, many people get out or head to an area that is safe. For example, Mocambique people to Zimbabwe. Zimbabweans to South Africa. West Africans to NYC or Europa. What are you talking about?
Some of you dudes need to travel more to get a better perspective of how things actually work. Stop listening to the BS Media. they are just preaching to you what they think you want to hear which is negativity.