Mayor Nola rants!
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- JazX0
dumb shit, check moural's post. Hurricane survivor in Florida. You guys are clueless...
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oops I meant taht's dumb sh*t, I would never call someone a name here, just arguing politics
- version30
thanks for the mp3 that's something i'll be keeping
- Crouwel0
one last thing:
http://www.nu.nl/news/584318/22/…
The Dutch are sending a military vessel towards Nola area, it's coming from the Netherlands Antilles so it should be there in about 4 days..
- JazX0
exactly, ships and boats
- JazX0
But Janne, the thing is you choose to live there. Like me, I love the sun, I love the water, but I also realize the dangers. If the city isn't willing to enforce strict building codes on private and public structures, then they're putting their own citizens at risk. If they need more funds, then raise taxes if you must. If people can accept a tax hike for a new stadium, surely they will listen when it comes to their own safety?
moural
(Sep 2 05, 08:47)here here! intelligence
- toe_knee0
yeah jazx, your the only person on nt who has ever left their own country.
your a fucken idiot, i've held back saying that as i normally give you the benifit of the doubt. But this is too much.
- danthon0
It's totally possible. you line up Cruiseships that are in the general vicinity, which have to number in the 50's or so. Have you been to the Caribbean region or on a cruise? Those ships groove on fulll blast. You get the sick and elderly out on them. Evacuate them to a nearby dock and load them up.
JazX
(Sep 2 05, 09:36)cruise ships would have been days away from a cat. 5 hurricane. Plus, the US has no jurisdiction since they are all registered in small countries. "Hey Royal Carribean why don't you spend millions to relocate all your passengers then route your ships to for several days to a place the news is calling hell"
good luck on that
- JazX0
yep I'm a fuckin' idiot that preaches reality, I know.
Same with moural over there in Hurricane land Florida.
sure...
you were the one mentioning Africa chief not me.
- Anarchitect0
people stayed in the flooded areas of Mozambique in 2000.
for starters, it was all they have.
you have absolutely no fucking idea what happened there. And what the perspective of loosing everything means.
you say the dumbest shit, man....
- toe_knee0
and you took the bait.
- JazX0
your a fucken idiot, i've held back saying that as i normally give you the benifit of the doubt. But this is too much.
toe_knee
(Sep 2 05, 09:48)so that's stating you know everything then right, that statement? and that no one esle is entitled to an opinion.
ahhhhh I see how this works everybody
- JazX0
It's always good to assume isn't it toe_knee?
sorry to interrupt you from your Bush bashing fella's...
back on it now
*cough
- toe_knee0
I'll keep bashing bush till the fucker is dead and buried and then i'll piss on his grave
- JazX0
people stayed in the flooded areas of Mozambique in 2000.
for starters, it was all they have.
you have absolutely no fucking idea what happened there. And what the perspective of loosing everything means.
you say the dumbest shit, man....
Anarchitect
(Sep 2 05, 09:51)hahahahhaa yeah right, logistically speaking, comparing Mocambique to the USA is like comparing a goldfish to a whale.
"Loosing everything"? Seeing extreme poverty in other areas doesn't count then...?
- JazX0
I'll keep bashing bush till the fucker is dead and buried and then i'll piss on his grave
toe_knee
(Sep 2 05, 09:54)good attitude, regardless of whether I agree with you are not in him being terrible, I would never say such things about a human.
- toe_knee0
I would never say such things about a human.
JazX
(Sep 2 05, 09:57)Good for you. But whats that got to do with anything?
- JazX0
Interesting perspective.
Bryan S. Under
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Watching the news this morning, I’m listening to Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland) from the Black Congressional Caucus venting before press cameras. He’s quoting scripture and castigating the president for the response to this emergency.
I keep biting my tongue here, because I really don’t want to sound callous, but these people need to really shut their mouths. It’s so nice of our congressional leaders and other politicians who are far removed from the situation stand in front of cameras and moan about the response. Like the people working on this situation aren’t already aware that the situation is dire, grave, tragic ... choose your adjective.
i want to make these points while everyone is fuming about the response.
1. Disaster relief takes time. Any disaster is going to take time to recover from. Every hurricane that has occurred to this point (and the tsunami, for that matter) has been a one-day event. The day after the hurricane, the skies clear and everyone begins to pick up the pieces. This is no ordinary hurricane evacuation.
2. Nobody knows how many people were in New Orleans to begin with. Estimates are up to 100,000 people. And while I understand the frustration of people who are trying to catch those buses to refugee camps in Houston and elsewhere, there’s only so much room on a bus. If every bus could hold 70 people (it’s less than that, I think), it would take 1,428 buses to get everyone out of New Orleans. It’s a five hour drive to Houston, 10 hours to San Antonio. Bus drivers cannot drive 24 hours a day.
3. Mobilization takes time. The governments had some relief supplies and vehicles ready to assist immediately following the hurricane. However, those efforts were stymied when the levees broke and the situation changed on day 2. So people began to mobilize a greater effort. But mobilization takes time. It takes time to travel, for supplies to be loaded, etc.
4. Everyone is doing the best they can at this time. President Bush says the results are “not acceptable.” Whatever. The results are what you might expect for a situation that overwhelmed any expectations as the disaster developed. It’s never “acceptable” when chaos descends and people are dying because the supplies to help them live are not there. It may not be acceptable, but sometimes it’s unavoidable.
5. Infrastructure is crucial to relief. People seem surprised that so many rescue workers on the ground don’t know what’s going on. They seem more surprised that the higher ups don’t know all of the various things going on. Let me just remind everyone: communication is still a problem because radio towers are down, cell phones are sporadically operating. Relief leaders don’t spend all day watching CNN with a cell phone in one hand and a radio in the other. “Chopper 2, FOX is showing a group of people over by the bridge. Go pick them up.” On the ground, rescue workers have jobs to do. It sounds incredibly mean, but if the workers stopped every time someone waved at them for help, they would never get the work done that they are trying to do.
6. HELP HAS BEEN ON THE WAY. See above. FOX news is saying “The good news of the day: Help is on the way.” Well, duh. Help has been on the way since day 1. IT TAKES TIME!
7. Did I mention we’ve never seen anything like this before? There’s an old saying: The best laid schemes o’ mice and men gang aft agley (often go astray). I have no doubt that emergency management personnel had detailed plans for the hurricane that hit the Gulf Coast. But those were untested plans. There were unanticipated complications. As such, there is a greater chance of confusion, and problems in implementation.
8. People are giving, and everyone is willing to help. the congressman from Maryland made the point that businesses should be on the front lines here trying to get people out. Wrong, congressman. Right now, the situation is not secure. Putting more innocent untrained civilians in harms way is not going to help. There will be plenty of time (and plenty of places outside the disaster zone) for businesses to set up and help, but in New Orleans is not the place right now. Billions of dollars have been donated already, so don’t chastise people for not giving enough.
9. This is not a time to play the race card. Again, let me repeat, there are thousands of people - black, white, yellow, whatever - who are working frantically to stabilize the situation in New Orleans. THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN IS NOT AN ISSUE. If you want to talk about the poverty issues of people who weren’t able to evacuate, we can have that discussion in the weeks ahead. But I’ve seen thousands of poverty-stricken now-homeless people being treated in the best possible manner given the circumstances.
10. People are going to be waiting in lines! Did I mention that there are 100,000 people potentially evacuating? People are going to be standing in lines. No matter how many volunteers you have. Ever been in the line for a restroom at halftime of a football game? 20,000 people trying to get to the bathroom. Magnify that by the frustration, despair, and lack of hope of people who have been trapped in a nightmare for a week.
- ewo0
toe_knee,
your attitude towards Bush only promotes the kind of behavior that you are protesting in the first place
- moural0
The whole concept of hurricane preparedness isn't so much a federal issue, as it is a state, county, and city one. You see, the government can't just step up and offer billions of dollars to build a wall around New Orleans, when there are thousands of cities between Brownsville and Charleston that need similar improvements.
For instance, the area where I live is prone to flooding from a typical afternoon shower, but for a few years now, the city has been improving stormwater drainage. Now, I'm not saying a simple drainage improvement will solve Nola's problems, but there is a time when you need to stop begging and start building.
I have complete sympathy for people who lost their homes and property, but for people who could have left and chose to stay - I have less remorse. In fact, teams are spending time saving those people who made poor decisions and chose not to evacuate, rather than spending time in recovery for the greater good of the city.
The things is, this was a disaster of enormous proportions, and there are going to be problems. There are plenty of good people doing their part and helping out, but you can't quell the anxiety of millions of people in a couple of days.
- JazX0
f*cking exactly moural, damn...