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- detritus1
Migration's just gotten to the point in recent years that it's now impossible to ignore.
I mean, fuck me - surprising, right?
How shocked people when they realise that you have Two Hundred Thousand plus (!!) people coming in EVERY year, for ever with no consideration for the long game.
Economic migration's not really an excuse, in my opinion, for forever changing the face of a country simply for reasons of cash. Especially when that cash goes to the upper echelons, increasing a country's GDP but keeping GDP per person about the same = higher stress on infrastruture = lower standard of living for most people = unasked-for huper-idealism which ignores base human tribalism.. sorry, 'populism' because fuck me, if the majority of people hold an opinion that doesn't gel with the Suburban intellectual elite, they must be wrong right? idiots!
A little migration's a good thing.
What we've had in the UK for the past 20 years is not.
not for us indiginiees, not for the countries bleeding their brains and efforts to keep First World profit expectations in line.
it's not right, it's not moral, it's not done with anyone's permission.
- I'm a bit hippy and think every culture has a voice and a voice to be honoured and respected. What has happened has only benefited the cooperate companies withmugwart
- a cheaper work force.mugwart
- work in a international company and its incredible to sit with people from all over. Fucking exciting but for some parts of the uk can imaging it not being so.mugwart
- Our problem is that we have a large middle class who hold opinions they don't state out aloud, so the status quo remains unchecked, nobody 'making a fuss'detritus
- migration has far more economic benefits than costs - blame the govt (tory) for not providing adequate infrastructure for UK citizens let alone migrants.fadein11
- Of course too much immigration is not good - how could it possibly be good? But what does this have to do with the original post based on UK no go zones whichfadein11
- about things that they might worry are a 'bit unPC', so things simmer until one day someone takes their nose from the Daily Mail and goes 'hang on', too late.detritus
- do not exist. At all.fadein11
- immigration*fadein11
- Remmber the hoodie crisis? How easily that could've been averted had middle Englanders actually just stuck their nose in and Actually Said Something to the kidsdetritus
- but no, they twitched their curtains, muttered uselessly and now we have laws that ASBO bored children, ffs. We're pathetic.detritus
- If the Right Wing rises in Europe, it's becase everyone spent the preceeding 20 years being cowards.detritus
- hoodie crisis? have you lost your marbles?fadein11
- yes, the one that middle england despaired over years ago - it was a mirage of a crisis, but apparently very concerning, with a generational divide.detritus
- But the English doesn't really have a middle class nor a lower upper class anymore.
Politics here I think is just/ if not worse than what is happening US way.mugwart - the right wing is rising because capitalism/neo-liber... is failing - immigration is largely a by product of that. The system is bigger thanfadein11
- Don't ask me - ask the Daily Mail reading class who were 'bloody well bothered by it all'. *shrug* it's not my crisis. Perhaps not be quite so literal, fade.detritus
- than joe bloggs - aside from a revolution what do you expect average person to do? they will go to work, feed their kids and try to survive. The system needsfadein11
- enemies to blame and looks like you have fallen hook line and sinker mate.fadein11
- and guess what - the right will use exactly those same systems because they don't have an alternative - just like Trump is doing already.fadein11
- Capitalism is failing? What? Neo-liberal 'values' have been shown to be inherently broken, I'd agree. And it's those that espoused them (Blair et al) who ...detritus
- ... are to blame for mass immigration.
I'm sure we can blame the Tories somehow though.detritus - The Daily Mail class are largely 50+ above average income fools who will think like that regardless of what that paper says - that paper is serving their needfadein11
- not vice versafadein11
- "the system needs enemies", gahk. Oh God, 'mate' - stop spouting bilge. As I've said to you beforehand - I've been concerned about migration for decadesdetritus
- ..and as best as I can tell, 'the system' feeds off immigrants, not makes them out to be enemies. Sheesh.detritus
- "enemies to blame and looks like you have fallen hook line and sinker mate."
No I have not. its hard to get arguments out in small paragraphs.mugwart - thats what she said!mugwart
- I agree with you there, about the DM - that's my exact point. Instead of engaging politically, they've hidden behind that fucking paper and kept silent.detritus
- England has a ruling ellite which is so far removed form the real world.
We are feed so much bull shit people dont know what is up nor down.mugwart - I'd point to the DM-reading classes as being the guiltiest parties in all that's gone wrong in this country. Take responsibilty. Act. Fight. Don't hide & whingedetritus
- So I see it people are arguing over semantics.mugwart
- they have nothing to fight for - they are comfortable and largely not affected by any issues the country faces - they love to see their old fashioned values infadein11
- personally I hope the DM readers never take responsibility -- that day would be a scary one ;-) Bad tea and Laura Ashley!mugwart
- print that is all.fadein11
- @mugwart - that wasn't directed at you.fadein11
- @det - so you telling me you DO NOT think immigrants have not been made the enemy in the British media? Where have you been hiding?fadein11
- How long have the tories been in power now? I noticed your comment regarding immigration having grown under new labour. How exactly have the tories got itfadein11
- under control? I would love to hear your thoughts on this.fadein11
- what else is there to argue about on the internet, other than semantics and the same point from three different sides, mugwart? :)detritus
- have been*fadein11
- I'd wager the DM don't espouse values as such, just wet whinging. Certainly I'd not label 'old-fashioned' values as inherently negative. A bit arrogant.detritus
- England has always been governed by command and conquer. Divide it three times and you can control all. I see that's how we have been divided.mugwart
- For a country with such a violent imperialistic history .... we are fucking pacific in our own shores!mugwart
- It's not my opinion - immigration did swell under new labour. it's gone on for so long, there's not enough political capital on either side to dent it.detritus
- unless someone pulls the extreme right wing lever, there's literalyl fuck all anyone can do. Which is why the Far Right is rising, because no one else is.detritus
- btw, i'm not a Tory - I just get irked by left wingers piling all and any blame they can on them. If no Brownomics, then no Austerity. *shrug*detritus
- I would most certainly label old fashioned British values as 100% negative. Those days are over. We are no longer an empire. We are a minor player on the worldfadein11
- (to massively simplify, I admit)detritus
- stage with little influence yet a certain generation still clinging onto the 'greatness' (which actually hardly existed). So yes I would reject all those oldfadein11
- Since when did British Values equate to Empire? You appear to be conflating issues. As happens with the Refugees & Economic Migrant debatedetritus
- fashioned values and try to create a UK equipped for the modern challenges of this globalised/post-capi... world.fadein11
- And ifyou really believe there's nothing of worth in your country's heritage and values, then I am truly sorry for you.detritus
- But they will all be dead soon and that rag of a paper with them.fadein11
- @mugwart :)fadein11
- @det - I like you - and you have argued the case well. And trust me there is a lot, a real lot I love about this country. But they are just not tied to thefadein11
- propaganda and horror of our imperialistic past. But yes - well argued. It's a fucking difficult one. And as you say the right are the only onesfadein11
- tackling it - but I would fight to save all the gains of the left of the past century to have them lost over the idea of "too many foreigners on these shores"fadein11
- so much progress and a huge step back just to protect our borders from people who are often portrayed as the enemy of the state.fadein11
- Still lets not forget our foreign politics/ commercial interests of bombing the shit out of other countries.mugwart
- indeed - the irony of shitting on people and not expecting a strong whiff blowing in our direction.fadein11
- One problem with cultural relativity is a presumption that cultures will be somehow seamlessly compatible.IRNlun6
- Only looking at the positives of migration and cultures, vilifying and ignoring the inherent clash of cultures, greatly contributes to the problem.IRNlun6
- As if different cultures would ever be seamlessly compatible - what is your point now?fadein11
- Becasue it's delusional to think allowing tens of thousands, or 1+ million migrants into a culture won't have significant impacts.IRNlun6
- Presenting it as only a economic positive, ignoring human nature and vilifying anyone who points to problems, makes the situation way worse.IRNlun6
- this isn't new pal - my country has worked through these issues for over half a century. Immigration isn't new and on the most part has been successful in thefadein11
- UK - so yep - what is your point?fadein11
- I guess UK doesn't like people coming to their country, take over and change how they do things...pango
- No pango we like to do the taking over :-)mugwart
- HijoDMaite0
I think the quotes below answer my question. I was literally talking about a section or neighborhood in the U.K. where someone may stop a tourist or "outsider" and ask them questions, or if a girl was walking down a certain street in a skimpy outfit and would get harassed for dressing like that.
Poor areas or gang territory is obviously an issue all over the world.
"No, Hijo there are no 'No Go' zones with spittle-mouthed Muslims guarding the perimeters - that is all a lie. Here in Britain at least." -detritus
"... the uk has some of the hardest cunts around, no chance there would be a no-go zone there lol." _niko
- apologies for my slightly over the top responses (as usual)... just shocked what lies are being spun.fadein11
- think this is the problem, we see UK as one whole trying to move to a future. So there is no 'parts' in our hearts. A bad part of London makes a bad London.mugwart
- We are also a very suppressed place where we have no really voice nor expression. We are a strange one ;-)mugwart
- I think the term no-go zone was also co-oped from law enforcements inability to police certain areas. Also a product of dilapidated and distrustful communities.IRNlun6
- which is also uter bullshit lol - and no it wasn'tfadein11
- it doesn't really matter what it's supposed to be technically or from where it came — when the plebs hear it, they take it as given, literally.detritus
- No, it's not utter bullshit. That's what happened in the riots in the news recently in Sweden.IRNlun6
- Areas where when law enforcement attempt to make an arrest, many in the community intervene to try and stop it.IRNlun6
- Co-opted meaning it is presumed where law enforcement has difficulties policing certain areas, translates to everyone not from that area will have problems.IRNlun6
- riots in Sweden... okay pal - whatever floats your boat.fadein11
- FFS, conversations just hits a wall with you. Some migrants are/have brought violence, sexual assaults, and chaos. You, your denial, has to deal with this.IRNlun6
- mugwart1
^ Sorry for my rants as well.
I wondered to Westminster last night to suck it all in and it left me in a shock as to fing surreal and unbelievable a 'pointless' attack it was. Form any point of view.
Pointless as purely in effect. AKA attacking the most secure part of the country with a shit car and a knife... it was either staged or the guy was clearly not the highest of IQ's.
(footnote - taking away form those that suffered.)
- I don't know, his rate of return was pretty damn good — a cunt with a shit car and a knife = 4 dead, 40 injured, worldwide press and a coup for Daesh.detritus
- Highly successful if you're measuring by media coverage. BBC couldn't have done more to inadvertently propagandise over the last 24 hours.Fax_Benson
- Even as their own guests advise against itFax_Benson
- All day they've been wittering on about how is going about their business as usual, while they've squeezing every last drop as thoughFax_Benson
- some Royal has dropped a sprogFax_Benson
- they should do a 48-hour running special on terrorists self-harming and quietly committing suicide.detritus
- points taken!mugwart
- only 3 whole words missing from one sentence. Good job I'm not a stenographer.Fax_Benson
- ^? my words? Hell yeah - dyslexic moron here!mugwart
- No, not you. mugwart, was talking about my attempt at a sentence.Fax_Benson
- i just figured you were Spanish, fax.detritus
- nothing quite so exotic. I'm blaming arthritis in my typing fingerFax_Benson
- I just assume it would be me! Hope its not to bad.mugwart
- scarabin0
hey pango, did you ever figure out where furries buy their costumes?
i need to take a photo of an animal costume foot for a comp i'm building and aren't finding any stock images that fit the bill
- fruitsalad1
My neighbours are muslims, Iranian couple, 3 kids, parents don't work, life entirely paid for by UK tax payer - house, schooling, bills, food. For the past 4 years at least they have not worked
They shout and argue really loud at each other in arabic every evening. Never hear them speak any English. When it's the school holidays they all stay up shouting till 2am...
I get home from work and It's like I'm living in the middle east, in some aggressive neighbourhood.
Do I have a problem with them? Yes, I absolutely hate them. I've tried to explain to them numerous times that they are too loud, even taken my iPhone around and played back to them a recording of what I have to endure.
It could just as easily be a native unemployed family. Or immigrants / refugees from anywhere in the world.
The problem I have with them is the complete lack of consideration. Since when do people not have any sense of trying to self-develop? Libraries are free, but instead they sit around watching arabic TV all day. Can hear that too.
Why don't they have any sense of respect for the their new foster country? Any interest in assimilating into it? They seem to just not give a shit.
They make it very hard for me not to view all muslims and arabic immigrants in the same light.
To live next door to a quiet, polite, considerate and self-aware Japanese family... would be heavenly.
- Iranians don't speak Arabic, they speak Persian! Your whole story falls apart!
But srsly, don't you have noise bylaws?i_monk - How do you know the entire household is covered by only tax payer dollars?monospaced
- Assimilation is one of my main issues with economic migration. Literally why the fuck should I welcome you here if you're only here for money?detritus
- And I'm talking about people coming to work, not sponge. I spent my whole childhood disgusted by ex-pat Brits in Spain, so when I grew up..detritus
- ..I left, because at the time I was only interested in British culture and working here. Now I'molder I'd consider living there or Italy.. but as a citizen.detritus
- I'd always be British (ginger, blue white skin - can't ever pretend otherwise), but I'd live in those countries because I love their people and their culturesdetritus
- Mind you, I've always held a high opinion of Iranians - perhaps it's just all the ones who came after the fall of the Shah, who were fairly westernised anyway.detritus
- Also, if your neighbours are refugees, they might not actually be allowed to work, which is a pretty shitty state of affairs for all concerned.detritus
- Christ, I hate reading back my generalisations and broad-brush wishy washy estimations writ stark in black and white.detritus
- I sometimes wish notes had their own notes here...detritus
- wow... so much generalization in fruitsalad's post...pango
- have you ever lived next to an unemployed white family with 10 kids, just saying.fadein11
- I had an iranian gf. she was a bitch. but would never generalize entire nationality of people.pango
- and japanese. she was a bitch too.pango
- lol pango - true words.fadein11
- You go on experience.
How else should you?detritus - Absolutes are troublesome, so we go on generalisations. Generally, generalisations are ok. Not absolutely. But not absolutely not either.detritus
- the important thing is to ensure you have enough data points to make an ok estimation, generally. One family is one data point.detritus
- If there's any one thing I've learned in life, it's that people are cunts, whatever their creed, colour, stock or wit. Everyone's a cunt.detritus
- Just got to work back from that as a baseline.detritus
- Some cunts can be beautiful.detritus
- Ya... one family in millions of people.pango
- I was talking about one family, next door to me, how have I generalised? The remark about a japanese family is based on 1st hand experience of living in japan.fruitsalad
- when I say 'people' I'm still referring to that family next door to me.fruitsalad
- that sentence worked just fine with out the mentioning of Japanese. unless you meant that specific family who lived next to you in japan.pango
- My now ex wife was Japanese, came over and refused to work and would drink and argue all night. Was hell....so I do understand what your saying.mugwart
- Every iranian I've ever met has been kind, thoughtful, hardworking, and generous. Although, they all referred to themselves as Persian, not Iranian.Gnash
- hun. interesting. my ex never referred her self as Persian. well She's not exactly the stereotype iranian too.pango
- ^ Ya, not sure, I never asked why.Gnash
- Iranians don't speak Arabic, they speak Persian! Your whole story falls apart!
- pango0
Yo captain Ron!
Either your Instagram account is compremised or you were genuinely concerned about my weight.
Regardless. thanks. But I really don't need those weight loss pills :(
- detritus0
Oh Good. The file I was about to use that I spent 45 minutes last night preparing.. wasn't saved.
Excellent work, detritus.
- HijoDMaite0
So after much research and figuring out quotes and shipping my father and I are going to attempt to make our own Flake White (Led White)
This video seems to show everything that we need.
It's pretty cool!
- lead paint?utopian
- yes for oil paintingHijoDMaite
- NYC Kremer Pigments carry it, but they only keep a Kilo in stock and we need 5 to 10 kilosHijoDMaite
- sorry *LeadHijoDMaite
- That stuff isn't safe... seriously, why do you think it's so hard to obtain? Is the visual difference really worth poisoning yourselves?fruitsalad
- dude, seriously, don't f' around with that stuff. it's up there with asbestos.Gnash
- scarabin9
gah. that feeling when you send the client an exploration PDF before 6pm but they've already left so you're sitting around worrying if they're gonna like it or not all night.
10 years of this game and i still feel like a hack just faking it
- fake it till you make itsausages
- very common.
Impostor syndrome
http://startupbros.c…Gnash - I don't think anyone in our jobs doesn't feel this way. The ones who don't, are usually the hacks.ETM
- yupmoldero
- Haha, same.set
- Feeling like a hack means you're an expert. Isn't that what the study said ...bklyndroobeki
- the day you are comfortable = the day you are doing boring shit.inteliboy
- scarabin0
anybody ever work with staffing agency "creative circle"?
- scarabin0
@mg33 and anyone else with CC experience ^
let's say i'm with CC. if i find a place that wants to hire me full-time (on my own instead of through CC), can i just quit CC and work at that place, no strings attached?
or am i obligated to get CC involved and let them take a cut of my rate at this new place despite my doing all the legwork and building that relationship?
- i'm lost... sorry what's CC?pango
- nvm. just saw last post.pango
- creative circle, a staffing agency. headhuntersscarabin
- check your contract. I've seen it both waysGnash
- 1 - any work you get goes through them. 2 - Only work they get you is monetizedGnash
- (but no personally experience with CC)Gnash
- i'm guessing i can't just quit CC and go with the guys i found.scarabin
- why not?Gnash
- To my understanding, if it's freelance work they get for you, they get a cut. You're under no obligation to work exclusively with them.mg33
- I think you can literally a) get other work on your own at the same time, and, b) stop working with them at any time.mg33
- same goes for full time. unless you've signed a contract to not get work with anyone else (which i don't think they do) you can whatever you want.mg33
- i'll try and get a copy of the contract. thanks!scarabin
- if you get the job I want one of those Alien posters!Gnash
- i second that.pango
- If CC doesn't get you the interview then you are not obligated or under their contract.Hayoth
- OBBTKN2
Yesterday I realized that I've been smiling a little bit lately. A good friend was even surprised by it...
No wonder, this bone-hache is killing me, and my smile too. Where the heck is the sun? Cold and humid day after day. It's supposed we're on spring now.
In a side note: now, i'm seriously thinking about retiring in the south of Spain. @detritus: are you interested in sharing a 2 floor house with us? I'm a master of bbq and my wife is the best cook on the face of the earth ;)
- Continuity1
To this day, this many years on, whenever I see the time being 13:37, I tell myself, 'It's l33t o'clock.'
- Cool story, bro.Continuity
- In the USA we don't typically use the 24hr style, so it's never l33t o'clock :(monospaced
- 8008135face_melter
- lolGnash
- l3t o'clock in the USA ... sounds like teh suxorz.Continuity
- *fires up CS1.6, pwnz QBN*Continuity
- wow... l337 and cs 1.6
flash back...pango - i've used a 24 hr clock ever since getting a smartphone (10 years now?)... but I've never said 'leet' once... ... now I will. :)PonyBoy
- lol suxorz. when did we stopped using that?pango
- l33t?bklyndroobeki
- it means "leet" which is short for "elite"monospaced
- stoplying4
Kitchen is almost done. Painted the cabinets and hinges, new quartz countertop, new deep sink and faucet, new range hood, and new subway tile backsplash. Going to replace the tiffany lamp and just some touch-up painting.
- looking good :)Gnash
- Much better than old/cheap looking cabinets, good work mateOBBTKN
- so neutralmonospaced
- I like it a lot. Exciting to see some color pop in a tea kettle or some counter warecapn_ron
- for suremonospaced
- I like where this is going dudesureshot
- Thanks yall. There are two walls not shown that will be the main color accents. And a new colorful kettle too ;)stoplying
- Are you changing that light?Hayoth
- Keep going man dont stop!HijoDMaite
- looks goodmoldero
- so nice.bklyndroobeki
- fourth0
I found a pretty good deal on an uplift standing desk on CL. The guy is coming off as a dick and I'm picking up bad vibes. I almost want to just spend a few hundred more and buy that shit new just to spite him. At least I'll get the color I want.
Or maybe I should just suck it up for the deal. Thoughts?
- don't enable dicks, buy newGnash
- go over and offer him even less than he is asking or you even offered. Screw him out of more money, or get a new one.capn_ron
- Stand up to him.
Hey oh.stoplying - I'm just going to order my one. New it'll only be $176 more and I get bamboo instead of shitty ass blackfourth
- HijoDMaite1
Spoon tour dates announced and 3 Germany dates 3 U.K dates and only one CA. date. Bastards.
oh, and like 6 Canada dates! f u Canada Beat it, you puck-slapping maple suckers!!!
- Ho-ho! Where in DE?Continuity
- Berlin, Munich, and Hamburg in June.HijoDMaite
- Fuck me. Let me know when you're close to being in Munich, we'll grab a drink!Continuity
- Dude i wish! Im not going to those shows, was just telling you where in Germany they are playing.HijoDMaite
- HijoDMaite4
wtf are you guys doing over in the NSFW thread like ALL day?
- That's one thread I avoid like the plague.Continuity
- Haha!bezoar
- the deprived pervs love that threadutopian
- don't ever post a note in that thread... it will keep popping up on your feed...pango
- never have never will. I'm at work too, sketchy af.HijoDMaite
- So of course i get home from work and i click on the thread. A fucking black dude sucking himself off. Business as usual.HijoDMaite
- Lol yup, some threads are never to be touched.sea_sea
- I went in there because of this post. Not effected, but no desire to go In there again for another year.bklyndroobeki
- Never ever opened this post, and after reading comments from people who entered... I'll never do it. Fear on meOBBTKN
- lol. touched it once. Never againCalderone2000
- http://i.imgur.com/K…drgs
- Been in there once. Never making that mistake again.chukkaphob
- QBN should have an alert pop up when clicking on the thread's title that reads: "are you fucking sure?!" ...chukkaphob
- ...then when/if you click "OK," another alert pops up "you sure you want to be scarred for life?!"chukkaphob
- Haha yes.sea_sea
- Now this is a no go zone i can agree with :)fadein11
- One of the best threads.detritus
- bklyndroobeki2
been coming here since 2002. Do we have ground rules? LOL
- no excessive trolling.
no cheap nike shoes.
no reinventing shoe box.
no physical threats towards another member.
no sending herp dick pic no other memberspango - If European likes it and American's calls it swiss, it stays.
Sureshot likes sausage. don't ever question that.pango - Never point out the actual celebrity name.pango
- no doxxing.
chill with the racism.
don't use people's sexuality as an insultscarabin - no speaking unless you're holding the conchscarabin
- whining about downvotes will unleash a shitstorm of downvotes upon your personscarabin
- pics or it didn't happen.bklyndroobeki
- be creative & come up w/ your own unique insults, no stealing.bklyndroobeki
- no shoes, no shirt, no service.bklyndroobeki
- Hey now. I'm not sure I'm on board with the last one. We should put that to a vote.pango
- Four legs good, two legs bad.i_monk
- 3 legs even better.pango
- Never be brainwashed or simple. Never ever question the soothsayersfadein11
- If sheeple, wake up.cannonball1978
- no excessive trolling.
- deathboy7
my pups not impressed
- PonyBoy3
that feeling you get when you're accused of something you had nothing to do with nor even know what said accuser is talking about... yet said accuser is so fucking livid that all you can do is gently walk away and hope said accuser gets-A-FUCKING-GRIP...
:-/
- Is this related to a female? Then you must realize its for entertainment.sofakingback
- Did she accuse you of cheat on her in her dream?pango
- Lol pango, my ex did that. Woke up pissy at me for some dream he had. Turns out he actually was cheating on me himself in real life.. Facepalm.sea_sea
- lol pango, that's a regular occurrence with my gf... she regularly wakes up angry at something I did in a dream. I just try to ignore her bad mood afterwardsBuddhaHat
- Lol
Some people am I rite?pango