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Based on the reviews I was expecting something really shocking and controversial.
It really wasn't that... instead it was a solidly done film that tapped into the idea of rooting for the anti hero, which to be fair was pretty much the only way for a story like this to carry your interest. There's something inherently appealing about that but it's also a pretty common theme of films and TV of this era.
The biggest head scratcher was that Joker appeared to at least 45 while Bruce Wayne was about 10...you would have to imagine that once he finally becomes Batman Joker will not present much of a threat as a guy in his 60s or 70s.
- Some people reckon his character created the idea of the Joker, but wasn't the actual Joker from the comics.PhanLo
- Yeah I don't think it was much more complicated than that they just wanted Joaquin Phoenix for the role.yuekit
- ^ Hmm. Yea this makes sense as the person that killed his parents wasn't Joaquin.Hayzilla
- Who knows? There were a shit ton of Jokers by the end of the filmIanbolton
- I'm not a big comic book fan but doesn't Joker usually have a gang of clown mask wearing henchmen? I figured that's who those guys would become..yuekit
- He's a Joker but not The Joker.pango
- Could be the one 'joker' who went rogue and shot Bruce Wayne's parents becomes the actual Joker later?Akagiyama
- What Pango said ^^haga
- Wasn't orig Keaton Batman 40-ish and Nicholson Joker 60-ish? You could argue that JP Joker is in 30sprophetone
- You know the 1989 Batman movie... the only one that mattered?prophetone
This film has to be one of the best so far this year, especially from a superhero origin-style perspective. Even showing loose connections to how the media can play such an important role in the degradation of society, the disenfranchised class structures in which so-called 'normal' people feel so disconnected from political power. How easy it is for one man to be pushed further and further to his breaking point yet inadvertently starting a movement in which 'killing the rich' sometimes felt like a narrative which could play out today. Phoenix has to be one of the most unhinged character performers on screen at the moment and it's a great joy to see him in a film like this. It was so simple in its story, but did he imagine the relationship with his neighbour or is that open to interpretation, just like his mothers apparent delusional mentality?
- I thought it was pretty clear that he imagined the relationship...it was like a mini Fight Club style twist.yuekit
- Yeah, I agree, but then I didn't want to make those assumptions as his mothers' delusions could've been made up by Bruces father pushing his power about?Ianbolton
Also seeing young bruce wayne in this movie, and the fact that they are already making a batman movie is kind of hilarious. Just goes to show that DC is winging it with these movies. Not really a set plan because if there was, obviously these would tie together, but they cant now.
Problem is Joker is older in this movie. Mid-late 40s, and bruce is a young kid, so by the time bruce grew up to become batman, joker would be like 70 lmao. Timeline doesnt work out at all. Missed opportunity to do something cool mixing the 2 movies together for a sequel at some point.
- maybe. Young bruce could be 14, joker could be late 20s (he's had a hard life). So not that unreasonable to have a batman being 25 and Joker 37.Morning_star
- People who care about every little detail will never fully enjoy a film. Its a movie about a fictional character - enjoy it for what it is.desmo
- Is the movie really supposed to tie-in with the rest of the DC cinematic universe, or is it more of a one-off piece?ETM
- There is no way arthur is in his late 20s in this movie lmaoCygnusZero4
- Batmen age faster because of sciencenb
- Maybe the joker then inspires another generation of Jokers? I like how it left so much to interpretation and didn't treat the viewer as an idiot - unlike MarvelIanbolton
So lemme get this right, is Joker batman's brother? Or is it just really a lie with the mom?
And the score by Hildur Guðnadóttir is fantastic
I thought one thing the movie really failed to do was show how Joker started a movement. There wasnt really any scenes showing people getting inspired by him or his actions. Just all of a sudden protesters start showing up in clown masks. It wasnt until the very end when they pick him up off that care and he stands above his followers. The movie needed to drive it home better what sort of impact he was making in the middle of the movie and it didnt try to at all.
All they needed was some scenes of groups of people maybe talking about him, like they did in the dark knight, or watching him on tv but they never did any of that.
- *off that carCygnusZero4
- Almost felt like the joker himself wasnt special at all. Could have been anyone.CygnusZero4
- Dunno, I connected the dots. Thank fuck they didn't have some dumb scene explaining everything to the audience.inteliboy
- @Cyguns, I think that was pointvalentim
- Actually weren't there a BUNCH of news story (tv/paper) blips and commentary from 'media' characters about how the 'clown killer' was inspiring a movement?mantrakid
- seemed pretty obviousmantrakid
- they did do that, it was just that the mob was rendered too simplisticallycannonball1978
- early on in film the shrink said things were really 'tense' out there, people were desperate... if I recallprophetone
- already at a tipping pointprophetone
- Joker had a twitter account that they didnt mention. They all organized over twitter. Fuck twitter.Beeswax
- We don't see "others" POV. Just Arthur. This is why we see no one chatting about it, or him, or anyone else motivation.robthelad
- I think the fact it wasn't spelt out for the dumb dumbs made it better, treated the viewer with some intelligence.TOMMYxGUNN
Did anyone laugh out loud at the jokes? I couldn't help it, such a funny movie.
Thought it was alright, good performance from Phoenix.
The city/sets/environments were great.
Gary Glitter getting rich again off of this flick.
It was amazing. The fact it WASNT a super hero movie is actually what made it better. Broken people dealing with broken things.
If you didn’t like it, then, well maybe you went into the wrong cinema
- huh... it's the FUCKIN JOKER! He is a comic book villain! Based on what you said it just be John, Tom or Bob... why would i watch a movie about Bruce Wayne if..necromation
- if he doesn't become Batman? I'm lost man... i grew up reading these guy (dc & marvel) and hate this need to normalise this stories... just pisses over the fansnecromation
Several of my friends watched the movie. They all said the same exact thing...brilliant performance by Phoenix. But a lazy boring, "I heard this before" story.
What a pile of shit... I never understand people need to make comics 'more' real... I don't read comics for 'more real'
I've never been more bored with a movie in ages!
- I hear you. These moving, talking pictures are the devils work. Like me, are you also scared of the horseless carriages in streets.Morning_star
- I walked out in the middle, fight me :)helloeatbreathedrive
- Pistols at dawn it is then, you Cad. :)Morning_star
I felt my money was well spent. Saw Ad Astra the other week and wanted my fucking money back but this, this was a good movie.
Felt the music was great, didn't know whether the Gary Glitter track was purposefully controversial or not, i'm gonna guess that it was. And, when 'White Room' kicked in, well, RIP Ginger.
Cinematography was cool, and i liked that fact that we didn't need to see the abuse of young Arthur to give his mental health credibility.
As a comment on todays society?, i felt it captured some of the meetoo/anonymous spirit quite successfully. And it reflected the demise and insignificance of terrestrial TV through DeNiros ultimately cruelty.
Overall, better than your mum, not as good as your dad.
It embraced and exposed the evil of the Democratic left. Also mirrored democratic policies in NY, Seattle, San Francisco.
- HAHAHA... The evils of the 'democratic left'necromation
- Pelosi the Marxist?fadein11
- < faceplam >Bluejam
- Embrace him...He is our very own special kind of guy.utopian
- Necro, what do you call Antifa and the disasters happening in those cities?Hayoth
- Is this a political thread? Yes! Well to begin the left IS the devil. They want socialism, no guns and they all cry when their bitch ass nominee isn’t elected.irrelevant
- Oh, and btw Trump2020irrelevant
- says the trollmonospaced
- Troll? Bro, I’ve been here since the beginning and just stating FACTS. Can you disprove anything I’ve said?irrelevant
- How did you see the movie?
- Nothing you said is true. No need to prove that. Lol.monospaced
- Just like I thought, you must be a bitch ass leftist.irrelevant
- evil, such a 20th century term loljaylarson
- Somebody please change irrelevant's diapers. I'm not sure if they're child or adult-sized, but the whining is annoying.garbage
- saying the left want socialism and no guns, is like saying the right want slavery and white supremacy government. small minded moronic view of the world.inteliboy
- oh yes, the joker and his brother clowns looks much like the average right wing personfeel
- I’m a bitch ass leftist because I don’t believe in satan, like you do, and am able to report the fact that there are no socialists running for any office?monospaced
It was good. Phoenix is one of the best actors around.
I personally thought it was pretty good, especially given the state of cinema these days. It was a bit of a sleeper cell in the same way funny games (the English speaking remake) was. People who may have been expecting another “superhero” flick might have found themselves blindsided. But then again, maybe they saw the wrong things they were supposed to see. All told I thought it was pretty solid. Stole/borrowed a lot from 70s cinema but in a good way. Having grown up with that stuff I wasn’t insulted or otherwise. He’s not an auteur but all that said, did a good entertaining job.