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- inv1
This thing can look at sexy as it wants, but its success will ultimately come down to how good the software is. While there probably will be some support for design software, at that price, not many people will buy => developers will not bother building good experiences for it
MS is also making the same mistake here as the original surface. Trying to support desktop and touch on the same device. That will always be a compromise. This is why the the iPad is successful, it only does touch.
- The iPad's successful because it brings idiot-level computery to the multi-masses.detritus
- the way I see it, if they make this work amazingly with the Adobe Creative Cloud, then it's going to be a hitmonospaced
- And how does it do that? By only solving one problem.inv
- I suppose that's up to Adobe to adapt the Windows 10 install to take full advantage of the touch/draw/puck hardware of the Surface Studio. Could be a collab.monospaced
- Using the puck to zoom in/out and pan, change brush size, switch layers etc. would be mint. If they do that, then i'm in.face_melter
- Adobe suite already works great on Surface - they just have to do the puck bit.fadein11
- if it only supports MS software noone will buy it obviously.fadein11
- I have no doubt the Adobe Suit will work great, thinking more about other stuff.inv
- To some degree this seems to compete with Adobe's Slide hardware.evilpeacock
- err1
I strongly disagree!
I have a surface pro 3 and i love the touch for navigating. What they need to do is stop trying to play catchup with ios with this mickey mouse bullshit.
Microsoft suffers is like your parents trying to be cool now by using emojis. The only thing is they totally dont get it and use everything wrong.
- inv0
I think they should go all in on the all surface desktop concept. Drop all mouse interaction and basically do a huge iPad with great software. I think thats where the future of the "desktop" is.
But I think Apple is far more likely to do something like this than MS. They are..like you said..too busy playing catchup (especially on ecosystem etc)
- Not to mention that Hololens thing, what a fucking waste of time.inv
- you mean the stylus totally replaces the mouse? how would that or touch work in its upright position? it wouldn'tfadein11
- why do you need it upright? it would be a true "desktop".inv
- er - reading, writing docs, browsing - neck problems for starters.fadein11
- People have been using the top of their desks for that far longer than screens...inv
- true - yes. okay I wouldn't want to design flat all the time. saying that I still sit down while the rest stand up and work. But I am over 40.fadein11
- i love designing over my wacom, it's as flat as it gets, like drawing as a kid againimbecile
- depends what you are doing - could do web or print flat - illustration yes. I would start getting tired quicker - I am more awake with my head upright.fadein11
- Upright for movies and tv and shit like that.monospaced
- inv0
- whoops...shifting from iOS to OSX is dumb, though. I still don't understand why they insist on isolating touchformed
- (beyond the obvious "we control the app store and want to make a killing off every app sold" strategy)formed
- timelinefadein11
- I doubt anyone really thought a tilted screen was a new idea - it's more about the execution and judging by reviews it's very good.fadein11
- Correct, its all about execution. Just think that part will be hard!inv
- @form Because doing combined touch/mouse gets really complicated.inv
- I can easily imagine using left hand for touch and right hand for mouse (or puck).monospaced
- Was this scrapped? They never release till they're "ready". Apple's secrecy is their undoing — meanwhile armchair critics fill the news with conjecture.evilpeacock
- 6 years. I think it's safe to say they abandoned it. After this week, though, they'll have to re-evaluate their entire OS approach.formed
- err0
The only problem I have with touch is its not accurate. Remember the first time you accidentally multitouch rotated an image in PS Its like nearly impossible to get it straight again with multitouch.
Input devices like the dial solve this.
Even the touch bar on macbooks looked like they would have the same problem.
- hold shift while doing - jobs a goodun.fadein11
- Press Escape and it resets. I thought everyone knew that?face_melter
- lol. Yea I hate it when you hit caps lock.. Have to restart the fucking computer to get it to go back to normal.set
- I know how to reset it now. Im just saying remember the first time!err
- How many times do you use this feature on purpose?err
- I agree err. annoying as fuck. something similar happens to me when on my browser where screen does a bezerk zoomhotroddy
- is there anyway to calibrate the touch?utopian
- Rotate canvas? All the time - to edit masks, paint/draw/spot heal around objects, add effects. Of all the things Adobe added to PS it is my most used.face_melter
- I just pivot my screenGnash
- imbecile0
boss brought me into his office excited to show me this, asked if I wanted one. I said sure.
i want to compare that screen to my wacom
that little puck thingy is going to waste time
- god, how do you manage to find a reason to moan in this story.fadein11
- lol @ moanutopian
- def lol
how do you get moan?
looks fun as fuckimbecile - yep it was 3am and I could barely see and should never have commented. apologies. misunderstood the last sentence lol.fadein11
- and now I am hungover as punishment.fadein11
- no worries, i'm hungover as wellimbecile
- I'm not hungover and I'm skeptical about that puck thingy.CyBrainX
- monospaced0
Anyone know how upgradeable it is? Can you swap out video cards, cpu, ram and hds easily? I'd hate to think they went apple on this and closed it off or used non standard sized parts (or worse, soldered anything on).
- The 980M card isn't really that fast especially when pushing 4K res, and that's the highest end model.monospaced
- Studio's internals aren't upgradable like on a tower PCsted
- judging from the size of the computer I'd say no upgrades other than hard diskernexbcn
- I would like to think the RAM and SSD would be changeable - using PCI SSD's for example.face_melter
- i think the SSD is replacable, ram maybe: http://www.technobuf…sted
- Damn. Eventually would suffer the same as macs then.monospaced
- Exactly — the whining about Apple's non-current GPU, etc. and non-upgradability also applies to Surface products. This appears to be the new PC market.evilpeacock
- Computers are becoming appliances. You have to spend more out-of-the-gate and if upgrades are needed, completely replace every 2-3 years.evilpeacock
- Even more reason to go hackintosh then.monospaced
- Dell just released an XPS that looks like a Mac from 15 years ago: http://www.dell.com/…formed
- "Designed to grow with you". Lots of irony going on the PC vs. Apple worldformed
- i imagine the number of people who upgrade and swap things (not including the hard disk) on a laptop are very small.inteliboy
- the armchair engineering, management and marketing of big tech companies from internet nerds is astonishing.inteliboy
- our gadgets would end up like this if it was up to forums and reddit: http://vignette4.wik…inteliboy
- This isn't a laptop.monospaced
- true. you're right.inteliboy
- It comes down to the amazing form factor and the idea of replacing the WHOLE THING just because you want to upgrade performance one day.monospaced
- Because honestly, I think the form factor and touch function is amazing.monospaced
- sted1
- "literally super paper thin" lol it's not literally paper thin you silly fucking cuntset
- super paper is approx 13mmFax_Benson
- not paper thin - just the thinnest display of that size ever made so i can forgive his semantics.fadein11
- Well I fucking can't, I hope he gets run over tomorrow.set
- Bennn1
at that price, you hope it last at least 5 years
- imbecile0
I wonder which is better, that puck or this from Wacom that comes with the 27QHD
- hardware buttons are always better imhocannonball1978
- The buttons were the first thing I disabled on my Intuos'. Too much muscle memory for Ps shortcuts/quick keys.face_melter
- Yup and why that bar thing Apple's made will be quite a challenge to get people to use. Short cuts are so I don't have to look at something!formed
- Fax_Benson2
I'm not usually bothered by new tech and tend not to follow what's going on until whatever I'm using dies - but that thing has me all a-quiver.
- yep, i rarely get excited by the hype around these things but it looks seriously goodfadein11
- monospaced2
I really wish they offered this as a standalone monitor/puck with steep hardware requirements (CPU and GPU) so that it can work into the future with various hardware. How cool would that be?
- exacly. i really can't understand why nobody can make a solution where you can just replace the cpu/gpu/hdd/ram combo somehow.sted
- gpu can be external why not allow that to connect to the built in display?sted
- exactly! ... I should be able to build a machine, and attach this AMAZING cantilevered 28" 5K display with touch screen and custom pen/puckmonospaced
- they could sell just the display and puck hardware for $2500 and it would fly off the shelvesmonospaced
- ^ If demand proves, maybe they will in time.ETM
- They probably will, esp since Apple just gave up on the monitors! It'd be a good way to kick some more sand at their wound.formed
- I agree I'd rather have the whole monitor rig and then my own box connected.ETM
- I'm guessing that the low margins of the PC market are going to push more towards the less upgradeable, especially as things get smaller.evilpeacock
- They're stupid.monospaced
- Every year the "PC" market shrinks. A lot of companies seem to be trying to head this off by changing their strategy (Microsoft for sure).evilpeacock
- sted4
proper review :)
- yep, that's a great reviewFax_Benson
- if apple had made it, everyone would be dribbling over it. Microsoft stepped up and kicked apples touch bar butt.fruitsalad
- people are drooling over this ... including me. Unfortunately it has some of the same issues as Macs: e.g., not upgradeablemonospaced
- can't wait the first hacks for this to allow using any pc with the display....sted
- Reviewers right - they should sell the monitor seperately.detritus
