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- PhanLo2
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Was recently working in Northern Ireland and got into some Brexit conversations about how close to heightened violence the place was getting with the Tories betraying the DUP, that loyalist communities felt let down and were ready to kick off.
The interview linked touches on that and how some peoples lives are based on loyalty to people who couldn't give a shit about them, unless there is an election.
My mate who'd never been to Northern Ireland before found the whole trip surreal.- So few people do have seem to have a clueFax_Benson
- it's a bizarre place alright. also on that street one of the best clothing shops in europe, an independent brewery, a queer/ transgender arts space...kingsteven
- Game of thrones was filmed round the corner, I live about 5 mins walk. Daft murals aside its a great area. A lot of DUP voters do know they got screwed over.kingsteven
- It's changed so much in the last 25 years, always loved going there, felt Belfast had a good energy.PhanLo
- do you not find it odd though, street art being on the front line of gentrification while a paramilitary mural has the opposite effect? as shite as it all is...kingsteven
- there's a certain method to the madness... they see it as part of 'erosion of loyalist identity' but it's all intertwined with the erosion of industry & class.kingsteven
- these streets are the only place many local artists can afford rent within a 10 minute walk of the city. yet 'development associations' are keen to replace themkingsteven
- this photo is the newtownards road btw. if you've triangulated Van Morrison lyrics :D https://is.gd/Gshmrz…kingsteven
- Those murals aren't that bad, reasonably well painted for what they are. But I hate the use of black in any painting, it's depressing.PhanLo
- Street art is like rubbing glitter on a shit a lot of the time, but it has been proven that the brighter colours make people feel better mentally.PhanLo
- I worked on a community repaint project of a small shopping centre in Scotland, where some local residents complained the colours were too bright and...PhanLo
- ...wanted everything to be painted grey.
I get what you're saying about how the murals are historical and people can relate or have pride in them. But like thePhanLo - one in the Bogside of the child with the petrol bomb and gas mask, how long will they be relevant to most normal people?
There is a tourist attraction I supposePhanLo - I've met the guy who did a lot of UVF murals in the past as a child, his stories of painting were just so bizarre compared with mine at the same age.PhanLo
- i don't think anyone particularly likes the aesthetic but i think they serve a purpose. the oddest ones are the paramilitary shrines in loyalist estates...kingsteven
- they're usually built illegally on council owned land and consist of a mural, plaque, and a walled area with poppy wreaths. if you're not from here the ideakingsteven
- that a terrorist organisation that was funded and supplied by the British army, killed local people and is treated and celebrated as synonymous with the crown.kingsteven
- may even blow the minds of some folks that call Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser for meeting with the IRA in the 80s. It's like an entirely different reality.kingsteven
- Had a discussion with a guy who'd been caught trying to steal flags, who was explaining how they are covered in grease and barbed wire, like it was normal.PhanLo
- That shrine thing sounds like the 'Michael Jackson effect', where no one was strong enough to say 'Mate, that looks idiotic, stop'. Then it just becomes...PhanLo
- ...tradition.PhanLo
- Fax_Benson1
Apologies for the Mail link but it's the upmarket Mail Plus, and it's worth a watch.
- colin_s1
So I happened to be off the grid during the week everything on this seemed to change - is there a new "hard deadline" date that oct 31 has passed? (basically, what the hell is going on)
- I can't help, sorry, totally lost in this messOBBTKN
- lots of lying, bad maths and no one dead in a ditch yetBluejam
- No one knows, they're just freestyling it now til the country collapses.PhanLo
- it's all a joke but now just a stale old joke, so noone cares at all anymoreKrassy
- It's about to get done in an oven, apparently, which sounds better than it is, unless it doesn't. In which case there's a new deadline to miss (end of January?)Fax_Benson
- Bluejam2
"There is no better time to highlight how, no matter what Corbyn does or whatever position he takes, his critics will attack him - even if they totally contradict themselves (thread)."
https://twitter.com/Millar_Colin…
- Of course his critics will attack him FFS.Fax_Benson
- English folk just love getting shat on, so they'll keep voting for Tory misery until they die.PhanLo
- the programming is workingfadein11
- but corbins promises are wholly unrealistic without massive hikes in taxation and borrowingtrooperbill
- ...compared to Boris' lies and broken promises, vote Tory and it's actually more of the same shit we've been served for the past 9 yearsBluejam
- Imagine thinking voting for Baw Jaws is a good idea. Keep the shitty English fairytale rolling a few more years. GSTQ etc.PhanLo
- Krassy-1
- Fax_Benson1
Diplomat responsible for explaining to Americans what the fuck is going on, gives up.
Seems it's not (entirely) a comprehension problem.
- hopefully will be picked up in the debate on the BBC tonight, right BBC?Bluejam
- otherwise it's going to sink out of sight by saturday morning and it's fairly damning for jorisBluejam
- Reckon they both insisted no last minute, left-field questions.Fax_Benson
- andrew neil back stage, "this is your life" moment for jorisBluejam
- with all his kids, that mad American pole dancer, Darius Guppy, some scousers, ethnics, ex-wives etc in the audienceFax_Benson
- and the Joris Bohnson kid live via video link from Stoke-on-TrentFax_Benson
- and special guest, that kid he rugby tackled to the groundBluejam
- ha, that poor kid lost his childhood to that tv footage. Must be raging.Fax_Benson
- We barely notice. Our own government is enough of a clusterfuck right now for us to handle.monospaced
- PhanLo1
Fucked the NHS and cut police continually over 10 years, yet they'll still get voted in next week.
