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- pablo280
"The President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz (SPD) has called for a reconstruction of the European Commission into a as "a genuine European government", as a consequence of the Brexit referendum. This EU government should be "controlled by the European Parliament and a second organization, to be composed of representatives of the Member States," Schulz wrote in a commentary for the "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" (major German Newspaper)."
- shaft0
- Just out of curiosity did a search for that...
http://skeptics.stac…yuekit - ^kingsteven
- Ah, that's good, thanks. Proceed to build the Euro superstate then.shaft
- BSfadein11
- But he did refer to our electorate as 'the mob'? I suppose that's preferable.detritus
- Just out of curiosity did a search for that...
- shaft0
“Prime Ministers must stop listening so much to their voters and instead act as full time Europeans”
Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission
- fadein110
Farage has quote - spineless c*nt.
- quote! QUIT... shit.fadein11
- Yep, so all the fuckers who engineered this clusterfuck are jumping ship like the fucking rats they are.face_melter
- Is... is he wearing.. in Rupert's company.. Christ, Murdoch must've spent the last week laughing into his gourddetritus
- Another one who doesn't want to deal with the mess he's createdRanger
- I'd do it. how do i get in? I think they dont have enough secret service protection to see it through.yurimon
- ^ go for it Yurine - you'd be great ;)fadein11
- @detritus Farage was there as the entertainment, Murdoch needed a clown for all the wee kiddies.face_melter
- he made balloon animals in the shape of European political leaders then set fire to them and laughed.face_melter
- and as an encore he drank an entire bottle of whiskey, then sang God Save The Queen whilst wanking furiously to a picture of Enoch Powell in a corset.face_melter
- After the bloon animals Farage did a bit of juggling http://goo.gl/Hze4LZ…kingsteven
- lol @ face_melter hahahahafadein11
- there he is, looking like a human punch and judy puppet , sticking to the elites by drinking their free boozeFax_Benson
- sticking it to..Fax_Benson
- lowimpakt1
remember the last time Farage resigned ?
- kingsteven0
- that time farage tried to fly a plane...kingsteven
- 2nd from bottom - zombie fancy dress?Bluejam
- http://www.telegraph…fadein11
- holy shit! did that actually happened??
bwahahahESKEMA - survived like a bossDillinger
- Can't barrage the Farageyuekit
- fadein111
I was listening to a US radio station last week randomly. Had a feature on Brexit with a so called 'expert'...
Anyway I was shocked at the misinformation especially as the show was a biggie.
It went along the lines of this:
1. The EU has collapsed (not UK leaving it)
2. We left because we were terrified of a swarm of Syrian refugees arriving.
3. We consider ourself superior to rest of Europe as they are "barbarians".
What the actual fuck?
I was shocked.
So please American friends do not believe some of the shit that is said about this situation. It's not black and white (excuse the pun) and people who voted on either side had many more reasons to do so than the above lol.- "It's not black and white (excuse the pun)"
What on Earth do you mean by that?detritus - That race may have come into the vote - which it did in places.fadein11
- And certainly has post vote.fadein11
- A bit of a massive over-simplification.detritus
- Generation snowflake has spoken...
I was shocked that a man your age still buys into this estrogen infused bum drivelyurimon - who coined this 'generation snowflake' expression? Was it Mensch? It's an abomination.Fax_Benson
- All hail Generation Yurine! The rise of the stinking piss stained racist homophobic troll!fadein11
- ^ you couldnt fit into a better stereo type of idiocy going on. I bet you could eat poo and be convinced its chocolate mouse.yurimon
- #yuriturdwakeupsheep...fadein11
- I bet yuri was listening to that same radio station, as he does all day every daymonospaced
- your secret identity has been reveled,mono, https://metrouk2.fil…yurimon
- "It's not black and white (excuse the pun)"
- Dillinger0
- what a knob. no wonder Ann Coulter is a fan of hislowimpakt
- Im torn. On the one hand I agree misinformed millennials are the worst...Al_dizzle
- ...But equally terrible are arrogant douchebags who curl their lips too much when the speak.Al_dizzle
- He is very much a bell-end and he is (like every other cunt) cherry-picking his examples.. but he does sort of make a few valid points.detritus
- nailed it.kingkong
- essentially, stupid people have been saying stupid things. why can't he just make his point? Why does he have to be such an insufferable tit?Fax_Benson
- and he's called his video 'butt-hurt millennials' ffs.Fax_Benson
- haha, I know - I actually started off snidely responding to the title specifically before watching it and then deleting my post :)detritus
- Owen Jones' estranged Ukip cousin?Fax_Benson
- Bit of a aggressive douche but he does highlight well the dangers of following Mass media controlled Will.mugwart
- sorry, I should have issued a trigger warning for the snowflakesDillinger
- http://drnorth.files…Bluejam
- You lot don't do yourself any favours, do you Dillinger - no capacity for subtlety or shades of grey, have you? most responding here agree with you..detritus
- ..yet you bleat on about triggers and snowflakes still? have you ever had an original thought of your own or do you just regurgitate as guiltily as millenials?detritus
- Haha, but judging by the side post he forgot to mention lack of focus. You guys are older then millennials, how is it you inherit some of their characteristics?yurimon
- I dont get how this generation lacks the ability to self reflect. I guess thats how this friendly face repackaged, rebranded fascism is.yurimon
- This is what its like if hitler was full blown hippie.yurimon
- Four responses here balancing two contrary aspects of reflection, yet you insist on being blind to it? Speaks volumes about how polarised you view the world is.detritus
- more like a few. obviously im not targeting everyone. nerp.yurimon
- Only one person appears to have outwardly disagreed? I'm not sure I follow...detritus
- suggesting that all "millennials" act and think the same is stupid and ignorant.lowimpakt
- obviously this is a comedic representation of a generalization. but most likely they vote the same which the fascist comparison is has some accuracy.yurimon
- who is being fascistic?lowimpakt
- @yurimon - this generation? who are you referring to? I am probably old enough to be your Dad - well I presume you are late teens?fadein11
- "comedic representation of a generaliZation" - Yurimon 2016fadein11
- Oh look, yurimon is here. Never fucking expected that. Not in a million years.face_melter
- obviously the triggered phenomena has sprinkle of mimicking and truthiness. sit back and enjoy the laugh.yurimon
- "obviously the triggered phenomena has sprinkle of mimicking and truthiness"
#moronfadein11 - yeah i was messing around. but your comments is of an old man who hasn't learned to observe the world for what it is but repeat ideals of the program.yurimon
- you need to balance your male and female side. I would thought you were a woman or millennial, in either case it is a product of unbalance and is effeminate.yurimon
- it would be interesting to see if this aids your creativity.yurimon
- The triggering 2016 :)Dillinger
- #yuriturdfadein11
- PJW is neck-deep in Alex Jone's armpit sludge... just sayingPonyBoy
- autoflavour-1
- The Spice girls predicted it all. Imagine how wonderful the world might have been if we'd listened to them.Fax_Benson
- kingkong0
On Friday I heard a new dawn chorus outside my house. There was a rustling and twittering, as though of starlings assembling on a branch. Then I heard a collective clearing of the throat, and they started yodelling my name – followed by various expletives. “Oi Boris – c---!” they shouted. Or “Boris – w-----!” I looked out to see some otherwise charming-looking young people, the sort who might fast to raise money for a Third World leprosy project.
They had the air of idealists – Corbynistas; Lefties; people who might go on a march to stop a war. And so when they started on their protest song, I found myself a bit taken aback. “EU – we love YOU! EU – we love YOU!” they began to croon. Curious, I thought. What exactly is it about the EU that attracts the fervent admiration of north London radicals? It was the first time I had ever heard of trendy socialists demonstrating in favour of an unelected supranational bureaucracy.In the old days, the Lefties used to dismiss the EU as a bankers’ ramp. Tony Benn thought it was unacceptably anti-democratic. Jeremy Corbyn used to vote against it in every division. Why has it suddenly become so fashionable among our nose-ringed friends? I tried to think which of the EU’s signature policies they were so keen on. Surely not the agricultural subsidies that make up most of the budget, and that have done so much to retard development in the Third World. They can’t – for heaven’s sake – support the peak tariffs that discriminate against value added goods from Sub-Saharan Africa. Nor can they possibly enjoy the sheer opacity of the system – the fact that there are 10,000 officials who are paid more than the Prime Minister, and whose names and functions we don’t know.
They can’t really be defending the waste, the fraud – or the endless expensive caravan of crémant-swilling members of the European Parliament between Brussels and Luxembourg and Strasbourg. Are they really demonstrating in favour of the torrent of red tape that has done so much to hold back growth in the EU? It seems an odd sort of campaign theme: what do we want? More Brussels law-making! When do we want it? Now!
Naturally, Lefties might want laws to protect the workforce – but they would surely want those laws to be made by politicians that the people could remove at elections. No: the more I thought about it, the odder it seemed. It was incredible that these young and idealistic people should be making a rumpus about the euro – the key policy of the modern EU – when that project has so gravely intensified suffering in many southern EU countries, and deprived a generation of young people of employment.
Perhaps, I mused, it was a general feeling that the EU was about openness, tolerance and diversity. But they must surely know that the EU’s rules on free movement mean a highly discriminatory regime, one that makes it much more difficult for people from outside the EU to get into Britain – even though we need their skills.
So what was it about? People’s emotions matter, even when they do not seem to be wholly rational. The feelings being manifested outside my house are shared by the large numbers of people – 30,000, they say – who at the weekend came together in Trafalgar Square to hear pro-EU speeches by Sir Bob Geldof. There is, among a section of the population, a kind of hysteria, a contagious mourning of the kind that I remember in 1997 after the death of the Princess of Wales. It is not about the EU, of course; or not solely. A great many of these protesters – like dear old Geldof – are in a state of some confusion about the EU and what it does.
It is not, as he says, a “free trade area”; if only it were. It is a vast and convoluted exercise in trying to create a federal union – a new political construction based in Brussels. But, as I say, I don’t believe that it is psychologically credible to imagine young people chanting hysterically in favour of Brussels bureaucrats. The whole protest is not about the EU project, per se; it is about them – their own fears and anxieties that are now being projected on to Brexit.
These fears are wildly overdone. The reality is that the stock market has not plunged, as some said it would – far from it. The FTSE is higher than when the vote took place. There has been no emergency budget, and nor will there be. But the crowds of young people are experiencing the last psychological tremors of Project Fear – perhaps the most thoroughgoing government attempt to manipulate public opinion since the run-up to the Iraq War.When Geldof tells them that the older generation has “stolen your future” by voting to Leave the EU, I am afraid there are too many who still believe it. It is time for this nonsense to end. It was wrong of the Government to offer the public a binary choice on the EU without being willing – in the event that people voted Leave – to explain how this can be made to work in the interests of the UK and Europe. We cannot wait until mid-September, and a new PM. We need a clear statement, now, of some basic truths:
1. There is no risk whatever to the status of the EU nationals now resident and welcome in the UK, and indeed immigration will continue – but in a way that is controlled, thereby neutralising the extremists.
2. It is overwhelmingly in the economic interests of the other EU countries to do a free-trade deal, with zero tariffs and quotas, while we extricate ourselves from the EU law-making system.
3. We can do free-trade deals with economies round the world, many of which are already applying.
4. We can supply leadership in Europe on security and other matters, but at an intergovernmental level.
5. The future is very bright indeed. That’s what Geldof should be chanting.
- rose tinted spectacles and lost interest after use of word 'Lefties'fadein11
- Where's this from?detritus
- Boris Johnson in the Torygraph.lowimpakt
- 'neutralising the extremists' jaysus boris. you anti-EU extremist... tony blair after the 2002 marches went on to tv and called us 'anti-war extremists'...kingsteven
- I was going to write a list of other extremist groups supported by the british establishment there. but fuck it...kingsteven
- i was marching behind a guy with a banner that said 'I support a UN backed invasion of Iraq' - obviously an extremist.kingsteven
- these EU loving wankers aren't much better, but that's fucking hippies for you. they ain't no lefties... just the same neo-liberal capitalist BSkingsteven
- heard neoliberal misused SO many times in the last 2 weeks lol.fadein11
- that was pretty incoherent but my point was the remain campaign is a reactionary movement against neo-lib, boris confusses capitalist hippies for 'lefties'.kingsteven
- while preaching neo-lib idiology, and simultaneously blaming precarity in southern europe on the EU. same shit with more bureaucrats...kingsteven
- Fax_Benson0
- Isn't he a bit Turkish?detritus
- I think he isFax_Benson
- he's a bit dickish.pango
- gonzalle1
I don't really feel concerned by the Brexit, And i'm quite unable to tell if it was wise or not.
But, the bighead statements of the EU leaders, the threats they make. Their will to "punish" the brits is just unbearable !
This failure is THEIR failure. And people lke Juncker might have resigned before Cameron. That make me sick !
Support to the Brits ! All of them !- Juncker is an odious fool.kingkong
- Haven't heard any unreasonable threats - can you share a link please?
and Germany have made it clear there will be no 'punishment' in negotiations.fadein11 - Juncker is a loose cannon but it seemed to be the right wing tabloids that say he was threatening.lowimpakt
- Come on ? you didn't hear any "unreasonable" threats... Where in your opinion "unreasonable" begins ? A quick google with "reasonable" keywords will help yougonzalle
- http://goo.gl/nmvD7b…gonzalle
- read the article - rather sensationalist from the Torygraph... also note the date lol.fadein11
- "If the British leave Europe, people will have to face the consequences -- we will have to, just as they will. It's not a threat but our relations willFax_Benson
- no longer be what they are today."Fax_Benson
- the only unreasonable thing in that piece is the Telegraph reactionFax_Benson
- not that I'm a fan of Juncker eitherFax_Benson
- indeed.fadein11
- If you feel OK with your nation beeing called "deserter" by this corrupted damp rag...gonzalle
- I'll get over it.Fax_Benson
- yep - we kind of are. Will get over it Gonzo.fadein11
- lowimpakt0
centre right german party taking aim at UK
- lol FDP this worthless shit party, now trying it in britain after failing so horribly multiple times in Germany. Fuck off.mekk
- i expected as much. it was obviously a cheap and cass stunt.lowimpakt
- Germany do 80 billion in business with UK every year so its all hot air.Dillinger
- Is it though? If I were a neighboring UK country I would offer crazy tax breaks for companies to relocate.sofakingback
- and in turn UK will have much more freedom to attract international or European business than its multiple EU-treaty bound neighbours.detritus
- BuddhaHat0
https://www.theguardian.com/comm…
The Tory leadership election is a sort of X Factor for choosing the antichrist - Frankie Boyle
"...The frontrunner, Theresa May, communicates something horrifying, not through her appearance, but rather her unique expression of unwavering, furious disgust. It is the expression some nameless, pitiless archon will wear 50 years from now as it signs a contract to rent out our city centres to pharmaceutical companies so they can crop-spray viruses and harvest antibodies from any survivors. It is the expression Lucifer wore when the other angels attempted an intervention. Surely May, of all people, could make a positive case for migration just by saying: “If you can’t see the potential of a free-moving workforce, simply imagine how great it would be if I fucked off somewhere else.” Bizarrely, it looks like she’ll be involved in a runoff against Andrea Leadsom, who was created by Nazi scientists as a response to Dame Vera Lynn."
- Dillinger0
"Ignore all the shouting - Brits will get their Norway-style trade deal"
"Of course, the main player in all this will be Germany. Germany calls the shots. Over the past five years, the pretence of a European Germany has given way to the reality of a German Europe. This is the new deal.
As a result of this, the eurozone is Ersatz Deutschland, where the rest of the countries are little more than policy eunuchs, emasculated by German fiscal straightjackets and German creditor obsessions.
Again, if you doubt this, watch the ongoing implosion of the Italian banking system, which will dwarf even the great Irish banking crisis.
Italy wants to recapitalise its banks using government money because it fears a complete collapse of its crippled economy. Germany is saying no. As always, German decisions reflect the interest of German industry.
This is entirely understandable. It means that the interests of German carmakers that sell tens of thousands of cars to the UK every year will influence the attitude of German politicians towards the deal that Britain gets. Already Angela Merkel is urging the Commission to back off and give the British time to sort themselves out.
So because of German industrial interests, Italy, the friend with the broken banking system, will be treated harshly by Germany, while the UK, now the putative political enemy, will be treated more favorably. In short, the anti-EU Brits will get a better hearing from the Germans than the pro-EU Italians.
It is this apparent mistreatment of so-called allies that initially drove Brexit" - David McWilliams
- Let me get this, Italy wants to recapitalise its own banks while relying on money from the european bank. And Germany asked Italy to reform the italian bankingcoldarchon
- system AGES ago. Now that it is failing without any reform, they want to fix it with the rest of Europe as donor.
And you think Germany is the bad guy?coldarchon - 'Italy wants to recapitalise its banks using government money' - basically they want to prop up their lenders so they can pass EU tests later this month.kingsteven
- the EU have told them they can guarantee liquidity for lenders if they collapse, but they can't prop them up before hand (or they should have reformed earlier)kingsteven
- I wish Brexit had anything to do with the mistreatment of our fellow EU members. Didn't seem worried that Ireland are paying off 42% of EU banking debt.kingsteven
