The Russia thread.
The Russia thread.
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- NBQ00-1
BREAKING NEWS: Putin just recognized rebel held regions in eastern Ukraine as independent states.
- garbage4
He's livestreaming on RT.
https://insiderpaper.com/putin-t…
He's recognizing the rebel territories in these regions as *cough cough* totally independent. He'll then try to install puppet govs like he did in Crimea.
And you know, he did stage a couple false flags this morning. The EU knows it, which is why they're already threatening sanctions for recognizing the rebel regions as independent.
- https://www.reuters.…garbage
- So kinda like when NATO illegally bombed Serbia in 1999. The USA then recognized Serbia's province of Kosovo as an independent state,Milan
- installed a puppet government and then built one of the largest military bases there?Milan
- Yes. A little different, but all the moving parts are there.garbage
- Aren't many territories under Ukraine military control? So by saying they're independent, either the Ukraine military leaves....Akagiyama
- ...and Putin wins, or they stay, giving Russia a reason to invade, and Putin wins.
Or, I got that all wrong?Akagiyama - Yes indeed they are, which is why ol' Poots is sending in the "peacekeepers".garbage
- ********0
"BREAKING: Putin says Ukraine could threaten Russia by acquiring nuclear weapons"
- NBQ000
Just watched his live appearance. Some crazy shit he said.
I wouldn’t be surprised that the invasion will start tomorrow or next days.
- This was a historical speech. You don’t see this often. Vlady thinks everybody is out to get him.NBQ00
- No he's not, he's putting on the table the various scenarios he can use as pretexts to start some shit********
- The trouble is, he's just talking shit, maybe bluffing to get what he wants strategically, because a kinetic war in Europe would end him real quick********
- “Gathering of the Russian lands", that's his mission. Both Crimea and east Ukraine were once Russian territories at some point in history.drgs
- He's not interested in starting any wars per se, only as a pretext to get what he wants.drgs
- That's what I said
Also kleptocrats always end up in jail or dead******** - Here's the scary scenario...Putin annexes another part of Ukraine, USA imposes extreme sanctions, Russia cuts off energy supply to Europe as payback, ???yuekit
- «Live» show. Turns out it was recorded five hours before..inv
- Yeah because you missed itNBQ00
- NBQ000
Putin also said he approached Bill Clinton to get Russia join NATO back in the day.
We’d have more peace now for sure if Russia was included.-
- "NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It was formed in 1949 to provide collective security against the threat posed by the Soviet Union."********
- "If Russia is part of NATO we no longer need NATO"
- Rollsafepalimpsest - Russia is too big. China attacks Khabarovsk, what do you do?
https://no.wikipedia…drgs
- "NATO stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It was formed in 1949 to provide collective security against the threat posed by the Soviet Union."
- ********1
"BREAKING: Russian parliamentarian says Syria has expressed willingness to recognize Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states"
Bruh
- yuekit4
“Modern-day Ukraine was in full and in whole created by Russia, Bolshevik, Communist Russia to be precise."
- Straight out of the China playbook, 'Taiwan is part of China'BuddhaHat
- Yeah although one difference is PRC has always claimed Taiwan since the Chinese civil war ended in the 1940s. While Russia granted Ukraine their independence!yuekit
- "granted" independence for agreeing to remove the nuclear arsenal...********
- Where is our Rhodes Scholar Milan?utopian
- I'm celebrating with the free and independent people of Lugansk and Donetsk. Aren't you utopian?Milan
- Cheers!Milan
- yeah ppl free from thoughts and independent from reality are celebrating.********
- Careful buddha, lots of pro communist/nazi/fasci... china supporters on this website.Hayoth
- Fake news. DYOR told me it was just a training exercise.inteliboy
- @inteliboy https://www.qbn.com/…********
- Hayomook Knowledge Just Dropped.utopian
- still waiting for hayoth to criticize commie russia. lol any second now.pango
- yuekit2
I'm curious, will people who got this totally wrong, saying Russia had no plans to attack Ukraine and even that the troop buildup doesn't exist, admit they got it wrong?
Or more likely just pivot into supporting the thing that you insisted wasn't happening?
- Everything is on live and filmed and photographed with satellites, non-stop.
Troops buildups shown in news media were from commercial satellites, imagine what******** - imagine what the military satellites are picking up...********
- It reminds me of some discussions I tried to have with Chinese nationalists about the Xinjiang detention camps (which can also be seen by satellite)yuekit
- You'd always get one group of people who would totally deny the camps existed at all and insisted it was all made up by the West and USAyuekit
- But then another group basically said yes the detention camps exist and I totally support them. It's like the truth doesn't matter at allyuekit
- Anyone watch RT Int live at mo, makes CNN/Fox seem like CBeebies. It's happening, v.soon.fadein11
- Ignorance can be educated, crazy can be medicated, but you can't fix stupid.utopian
- they will prob blame the virus/5gfadein11
- "Whatabout Trudeau"yuekit
- yupfadein11
- Just watch Milan on qbn
LOL I think you called itpango
- Everything is on live and filmed and photographed with satellites, non-stop.
- ********5
"BREAKING: Putin orders troops into Ukraine for peacekeeping mission in Donetsk and Luhansk"
Here we go
- https://www.youtube.…Beeswax
- So he really was waiting for the Chinese Olympics to end.Chimp
- 22.02.2022********
- The Georgian scenario, also applied here...********
- You have 2 admit that's a good date.Chimp
- It's in the Mail already
https://www.dailymai…********
- Krassy0
Putin is putin' his money where his mouth is
- yuekit1
Ukraine (44 million people) has no historical legitimacy or right to exist...but I'm going to recognize these tiny, completely made up "republics" that have no historical basis at all as new countries. Even his own propaganda statement is self-refuting.
- Wow lots of Putin fans still around here...downvoting doesn't make you any less wrongyuekit
- No fan of Putin but that's a ridiculous interpretation of the speechkingsteven
- Why is it ridiculous? Surely you don't disagree that all of this is entirely cynical?yuekit
- Russia itself would never in a million years tolerate an insurgency or breakaway republics within their own country.yuekit
- it's a massive oversimplification of what he said to come to a conclusion that he refuted an earlier statement. there are many disputed territories in the worldkingsteven
- it's no different from the ROI recognising my dual citizenship.kingsteven
- did you read the whole speech, it's daft and scary but "those who seized and hold power in Kyiv" is hardly rejecting the sovereignty of Ukrainekingsteven
- I'm not personally at all against self-determination or new states coming into existence. It's just hypocritical to diminish Ukraine which has a much longeryuekit
- history. Putin wrote this entire essay last summer arguing that Russia and Ukraine are the same thing.yuekit
- and one country recognising the independence of a disputed region is nothing new. There wont be any maps redrawn elsewhere until akingsteven
- referendum, which Ukraine recognises needs to happen.kingsteven
- The problem is that Russia itself has been fueling the insurgency. Hundreds of Russian soldiers have reportedly died in Donbasyuekit
- you're going to need to show me the bit where he diminished Ukraine. that bit about decommunisation is worth discussing but I don't think that was what he waskingsteven
- implyingkingsteven
- It was on the backlog, the scrum master assigned the fucking of Ukraine to this sprint.********
- http://en.kremlin.ru…yuekit
- Also in the NYT article above: “Modern-day Ukraine was in full and in whole created by Russia." So reason to say that other than to diminish their legitimacy.yuekit
- *No reasonyuekit
- He's also denying the Maidan revolution and subsequent elections as real and referring to those "who seized power in Kyiv" as you posted yourselfyuekit
- While recognizing these tiny states where separatists funded by himself seized power and drove out anyone elseyuekit
- It's one thing to recognize a disputed territory, another to help create the disputed territory yourself and then seize it.yuekit
- he is not referring to the modern Russian state in that statement, in the next line he explains he is refering to the bolchavicskingsteven
- i'm not disputing that anyone involved is not a cunt, or there is not hidden meaning. i'm explaining why i'm downvoting your post for oversimplifying the speechkingsteven
- I don't think it matters, USSR was just one incarnation of the Russian empire right?yuekit
- Also read the article I posted above posted on Kremlin's website. I'm not saying he plans to annex all of Ukraine, just that he is massively hypocritical.yuekit
- as i said earlier, i think that statement is just a lead in to the statement on decommunisation. ukrainians confusing independence from communismkingsteven
- with independence from an (arguably) decommunised modern russian statekingsteven
- i say arguably because i just read hayoths comment lolkingsteven
- Look around the world and you will find there is almost nowhere that Russia or Putin recognizes popular sovereigntyyuekit
- lol.
so these countries are fucking each other that goes down to giving voting rights to people living in border territories.******** - They side with China against Taiwan, with Assad against Syrian autonomous regions, they support the Myanmar junta, etcyuekit
- territorial claims placed on religious foundations don't go well in the modern world.********
- It's only in these tiny barren regions of Eastern Ukraine where no referendum has even been held that Putin is concerned about the so-called popular will.yuekit
- You're kidding if you think there is any sincerity at all behind this. It's just a maneuver to grab some territory from Ukraine.yuekit
- that article is from July last year when Russian and the Ukrainian state were in agreement on a Ukrainian led reunification referendum in Donetskkingsteven
- implying that Ukraine never had a tradition of genuine statehood is not the same as not recognising the current Ukrainian govtkingsteven
- I think it's clear he is doing both. But even if you zero in on not recognizing the current government it's still contradictory.yuekit
- The Maidan protest while it had some support from USA was a genuine popular uprising. Zelenskyy was later elected with over 70% of the vote.yuekit
- It's the same old story of authoritarian, post-communist states not being able to accept that people simply don't want to be part of their "system."yuekit
- I agree with you that it is not sincere, but think that refutes his alleged paranoia... a lot of interference in the region from all sides is not in thekingsteven
- interests of the people or in peace.kingsteven
- Lots of meddling from all sides but ultimately states such as Ukraine, which is not even a small country, should be able to choose who they align withyuekit
- If none of the former USSR states wants to align with Putin then the inevitable result is that he will feel "surrounded" right?yuekit
- i think he already knows he doesn't have their support. certainly where he may have at the start of the conflict in moldova and belarus...kingsteven
- hammering the pre-communist rus line is definitely for an audience in russian speaking regions of ukraine. i think thats why folks are struggling to interpretkingsteven
- the speech as paranoia/ self-refuting /aggressive. he knows like Crimea he needs to project the illusion of enforcing the democratic will of the peoplekingsteven
- Maybe I should have said hypocritical rather than self-refuting. On one hand he's using "self-determination" as a pretext to grab territory, meanwhile heyuekit
- totally ignores self-determination of tens of millions of people in nearby countries, even Belarus his close ally.yuekit
- it may be gullible but i think this peace keeping thing is the same deal. was there ever an explanation why NATO didn't challenge the annexing of crimeakingsteven
- That hypocrisy is separate from Russia having legitimate security concerns. I'm sure they do, but unclear how grabbing this territory of Ukraine addresses it.yuekit
- And beyond that I don't think the people who say Putin wants to recreate a Russian empire of some sort are wrong.yuekit
- after a rebel led referendum, where they like - errr 'well it may be bullshit but it's not 90% bullshit' very odd situation to let developkingsteven
- heh, sorry got in between there. i do agree, i just think he might not be that unhinged and realise already that projecting stability is his only routekingsteven
- by security he may be referring to his ability to control the narrative in the region (information being the most utilised weapon of Moscow)kingsteven
- NP, I actually think with Crimea the evidence suggests the population is pro-Russia. It was more the way Russia went about it that the world objected to.yuekit
- And lets remember Crimea and Donbas are both valuable territory from strategic and resource perspective.yuekit
- Assuming they become part of Russia eventually he's impoverishing Ukraine, the poorest country in Europe, even moreyuekit
- the idea that international peace keeping forces might be deployed to a region to fight people from that region while putin holds off ukraine on the border :-skingsteven
- surely he knows he's better holding his ground now. and prodding and waiting for the rest of the world to fuck it up.kingsteven
- Donbas takes its name "from an abbreviation of the term Donets Coal Basin" and has one of the world's largest coal reservesyuekit
- https://en.wikipedia…yuekit
- i think all the regions in the south are majority russian speaking and there's a good chance if democracy prevailed would reunifykingsteven
- yeah, i remember reading about the resources and pipelines etc. it's shitty that its a motive and it's a motive on all sideskingsteven
- I'm off to bed, maybe not best to get in to etymology of 'The Ukraine'. but I sure hope I am not awoken by an early sunrisekingsteven
- After watching Putin's speech, I think the proper way to understand is... he says Ukraine was invented by the Bolsheviks and if you really want decommunizationyuekit
- we'll show you what this means. It's some dry humor, he's essentially saying that decommunization would mean Ukraine no longer exists.yuekit
- thats not what 'decommunisation' means, he's referring to the laws that removed communist (and nazi) symbolism and names in ukraine from 20yrs agokingsteven
- he's essentially calling the ukrainian state no better than communists. the line drilled in russia is that the russian speaking ukrainians have been abandonedkingsteven
- so he's saying just because you remove the symbolism doesn't mean you're not fascists.kingsteven
- "Well, that suits us just fine." is interesting point because he's demonstrating that his regime does not value communist nostalgia within the insurgentskingsteven
- ie. he's trying to make it seem like a humanitarian cause for peacekeeping, rather than supporting the political views of the insurgentskingsteven
- i was wondering if he's also popped this in to remind us they're just oligarchical capitalists that accept communist symbolism as part of their history,kingsteven
- but i really think this was to reassure russians and ukrainians that russia's intentions are not those of the insurgentskingsteven
- sorry, going over myself there. cooking dinner hahkingsteven
- Sure that's what "decommunization" strictly means, but then he's making a joke to rubbish Ukraine's right to exist was my interpretation. Putin loves jokes :)yuekit
- I'm not the only to interpret it that way, everyone from the New York Times to Meduza (Russian news site) is saying he seemed to dismiss Ukraine's legitimacy.yuekit
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- To be fair he didn't outright say he wanted to annex the entirety of Ukraine, but it lays the groundwork for "regime change" if he decides to go that far.yuekit
- i mean, putin would seem to have been really specific about russia v leninism v modern russia and ukraine v ukraine state then specific about ukrainiankingsteven
- decommunisation. i'd say it's much more likely he's referring to the hypocrisy of achieving democracy repressing free speech through ukraine's decommunisationkingsteven
- policies. when he's been so specific about everything else. i do agree his plan is to reintegrate what he can.kingsteven
- I guess we'll find out what he meant...can't say I'm looking forward to it lol. At minimum seems like he will attempt to seize the eastern part of Ukraine.yuekit
- Well just after I post that...full on bombing of the entire country seems to have started.yuekit
- Wow I didn't expect troops via Belarus, they do seem to be attacking military targets at the minute.kingsteven
- ernexbcn1
The non invasion that someone here insisted was not going to happen is happening. Good going genius.
- <fadein11
- hahaha, peacekeeping sovereign and independent states is not an invasion. you like peace, right?Milan
- ^ lol
https://www.qbn.com/…yuekit - Putin followers right now
https://getyarn.io/y…yuekit - milan switched so fucking quick! lolpango
- Krassy2
Putin is testing the West.
NATO's response or non-response will be historic and bearing colossal consequences.
- Do we give him a pass like we did the nazis after going into Poland?_niko
- We’ve grown fat and lazy on a steady diet of fast food and TikTok. We think the injustices of the world come down to gender pronouns. We’re distracted._niko
- We’re loving the good life, we switch our iPhones every 6 months, the only labour we know is trying to get that angle just right for our insta posts._niko
- We’re divided, we don’t trust each other, we don’t trust the government, we don’t trust science or medicine. We’re exactly where Putin wants us. Weak._niko
- https://www.youtube.…Milan
- Who’s going to stand up to him? Who’s going to sacrifice their children to oppose him? Who’s got the will or the guts?_niko
- I'm curious to hear from those who downvoted this post: Why do you consider and/or dismiss Putin's move as insignificant?Krassy
- It's always going to be easy for a nuclear armed superpower to push smaller states around whether it's USA, Russia or Chinayuekit
- It's like if the USA invaded a small part of Mexico, what can other countries do about it?yuekit
- OMG, did you just assume our gender?
He / Her / FurryMilan - @yuekit so where does that end?Krassy
- @niko: I've been saying this for years. We ARE weak. We ARE living the sheltered life. I saw Osama bin laden say it on television basically what niko just saidcherub
- He said basically the west is soft. It's true. How many of us living the good life wanna get airdropped into a war zone to fight Russia?cherub
- Hand to hand combat? The tic toc generation? ARE YOU SERIOUS?cherub
- So we should want to get airdropped into a war zone to fight Russia?palimpsest
- I'm too busy dropping NFTs.palimpsest
- Yikes! Niko and cherub. Are you from US? That’s grim take on yourself if you are. Liberal kids in coastal metropolitan cities def don’t represent us all.toemaas
- You all sound so old. Blaming tik tok and iPhones for what exactly?inteliboy
- _niko forgot his adhd pills todaypinkfloyd
- I watch MMA, I'm ready for battle.palimpsest
- I'm on our side, don't get me wrong. I'm just not sure if it has sunk in yet, this could be that war where we don't get to watch it safely on telly.cherub
- lol palimpsest : )cherub
- NATO's response will be economic sanctions. Don't bring fiat to a crypto fight.palimpsest
- @palimpsest you're on a roll! LOLKrassy
- No toemass not from the US but talking about the West including Europe. Will Scandinavia help? Italy? France? Germany? Who exactly if push comes to shove?_niko
- And what about your hardened rural heartland red blooded Americans? Are they going to sacrifice themselves to fight the Russians? Give me a break_niko
- Fucking white trash meth addict opioid zombie redneck trump lovers? Yeah right. Don’t make me laugh._niko
- Look how well you did in Syria. It was a walk in the park for Putin and the Russians, for Americans and their allies it was a total shitshow._niko
- And we can’t handle a comedian on stage ffs, how can we handle the ruskies?_niko
- They're about to go in and murder thousands of innocent men women and children and not bat an eye, we're arguing over Joe fucking Rogan._niko
- I don't want to sound alarmist or defeatist but as someone else mentioned before if the International community's response to the Uygurs is any indication then_niko
- ...Ukraine is pretty much fucked._niko
- Send in Daddy Rogan to negotiate, he'll cobra clutch that rusky into submission. We can pay him in elk.palimpsest
- Haha. You’re either one or the other, right. It’s not ww2 so the pushing and shoving isn’t necessary unless there is desperation. In that case even atoemaas
- Tik Tok meth head red blood blue blood spaghetti monster will fights it’s way outtoemaas
- ********0
"BREAKING: France says EU will impose sanctions against Russia and calls Putin's speech 'paranoid'"
- "banks imported $5 billion worth of banknotes in foreign currencies in December, up from $2.65 billion a year before, in a pre-emptive step in case of sanctions********
- everybody knew months ago
https://www.msn.com/…******** - Putin doesn't care about sanctions.Krassy
- but but Vlad think about all those Russian instagram models affected by the sanctions!********
- "banks imported $5 billion worth of banknotes in foreign currencies in December, up from $2.65 billion a year before, in a pre-emptive step in case of sanctions
- shapesalad-2
Maybe now the Winter Olympics are over Russia/Putin will quietly retreat? Rather than attack. Why? Because for the past two weeks the global News machine, and thusly the public’s attention has focused on Putin, conveniently removing focus from China and the Genocide of Uyghurs.
- Doubtful, what was the world going to do about the Uyghurs anyway?yuekit
- ********0
I think that this "grab some territory" project has an end-play like this:
- So basically half of Ukraine?_niko
- in order to succeed, the northern area together with Kiev must be cut off from the rest of the country. they created the two edges time to connect them.********
- there are other reasons why:
https://eegas.com/im…
https://www.blacksea…******** - and looks like the EU was thinking that its a good idea to promise support to these regions:
https://decentraliza…******** - https://imgur.com/rk…kingsteven
- oh, thanks.********
- pinkfloyd3
"I am not saying that Vladimir Putin is a nice guy. But I’d like to know how Americans in general and the U.S. government in particular would respond if Russia signed a military alliance with Canada and Mexico."
"Here’s another fact few Americans know: ever since 1918, the Russians have never once broken any treaty they’ve signed with the U.S., though the U.S. has broken a number of the treaties it’s signed with the USSR/Russia."
- "Only years later did we learn that just prior to the Soviet intro of missiles into Cuba, the US had installed ballistic nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey."Milan
