Scottish independence
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- sem0
I understand what you're saying and agree fully that everyone should have a say in what goes on etc. And I agree that Scotland might get overlooked on certain things.
But they get free education, don't have as big a population, housing, unemployment problem as other places and its just ridiculous to make out they should be such a huge priority over other places needing attention.
- zarkonite0
Wasn't the oil a big part of the separatist argument? What happens now that those with the oil on their land want to stick it with England? Do you think the separatists would have enough integrity to let them do so and go their separate way?
- sem0
Also just for the record, I love it up North and don't mean to sound like I'm all about the south.
Like you I believe unity is best, but a unity with a bit less blame culture please :)
- chossy0
sem you should stop this.
You just went off again bizzarely talking about faked footage said newsnet scotland faked it talked about audio hum talked about lips not moving your pal does this it's an obvious fake oh my god you are being led into a lie.
Then rosko posts another version and you say oh thank god I was worried someone had bothered to fake it, next time use a better source.....
Like I said before you are just bizzare, your mind is an imbroglio of noise, confusion, reactionary twaddle and chuffa.
- No mate, I said my mate fixes audio for BBC and they remove audio hum and clear audio from footage.sem
- And that it was more likely that it was edited from other footage given the quality and the lip sync issue it LOOKED to have had.sem
- I was corrected on the lip sync thing when a more reliable source was given and admitted that.sem
- rosko_picachu0
Yes but he's not going to be in charge for very long.
What about David Cameron, does he have unlimited knowledge on policy creation, or does he have someone to do that for him?
Alex Salmond's background from university is based on Economics, he's worked a long time in politics, he's not just fell off the back of a tractor.
Like has been mentioned lots of times, people have different reasons for voting.
I can't bear another Cameron, another Blair, Milliband. These are trumped up management types with a face for the camera.
This is a choice for No, which is what we have just now, or Yes and we have a chance to build something.
What we want to do is protect the basic British things we've had, but to take a future thinking approach, not looking to the past.
You might not get it, but corporations have got too close to government, it's in danger of getting worse. As much as we share the same fears and concerns about the next few years, Scotland will not abandon the rest of the UK, it's the conservatives and the labour parties who talk of such things.
What i believe is true and you can make your own mind up on this.
The corporations represent the no campaign more than politicians.
Our politicians represent the people. We want a modern system of progress towards sustainability.
Could you imagine the green party got voted in? Well up here that is the the third party - not UKIP.
- rosko_picachu0
It clearly states that you're not allowed to make important announcements within 25 days until the election. Effectively we've been offered St Andrews day and a Burns Day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pur…)
Yesterday we were flooded with news of shares in scottish buisnesses dropping. One dropped 2.5%!! What they didn't tell us was the share prices were already up 22% this year. Strange that.
- rosko_picachu0
It's a move towards a fragmentation of the nation states which is going to upset capitalism.
Look at the EU, a centralized system where policies become less localized and therefore not so relevant to a specific areas needs.
This is what we've had from Westminster and this is the problem.
- set0
- rosko_picachu0
Assets in the Scottish sector, according the the governor of the Bank of England, are valued at in his words, "North of a trillion sterling."
- set0
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- sameset
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- lowimpakt0
the london centric nature of UK is a problem and the severity of the issues is worse in the UK Than anywhere else in Europe.
This chart shows the spread of wealth between regions in a country - It shows just how divided the UK is.
One root of this massive inequality was the rapid deindustrialisation of Wales and North England and shift towards financial service sector (localised in London). This shift in policy and focus was decided in London.
- bumdrizzle0
Hi rosko, we (I say we, I'm Scottish but have spent the last 10 years in the US and England so don't have a vote) have a good chance of actually shaking up the established political order on these islands. But you have to concede a little. It's not all honey. It is better than jam tomorrow, but it isn't all honey. Reign it in, tell people the truth. It should be compelling enough on its own.
Braveheart as a contribution, good work. Jocks in private? Pakis if you were still allowed? Fuck off, simple ignorant cunts that don't realise you are fucked in exactly the same way as we all are.
- bumdrizzle0
And for fucksake sem, you are still in the notes failing to understand spending. Your analogy was a motorbike vs a moped, let's call it 10 mopeds vs 1 moped so maths will be easier for you. London gets 250 pounds to fix every one of its mopeds (in this simplistic example that is ten mopeds) and Newcastle gets 10 for its single moped). You can multiply how many mopeds London has by whatever number you want, the ratio stays the same, that's how ratios work.
- rosko_picachu0
@sem, yes you managed to find some statistics about the population of London, thanks. Good insight that. You seem to think that because London has a high population, that's a fair point. What i was suggesting is that some of the decisions made have been shocking with an out of sight out of mind attitude. Nothing to do with so called nonsense claims that Scotland hates England. If it does it is because it has been seen as a backwater dumping ground.
I'd say it's stupid to dump 1 million tonnes of ordnance in Beaufort's Dyke and mix that with radioactive waste is kind of a ticking time bomb waiting to go off at any time.
- detritus0
Aye, Lowimpakt, that reminds me of an article I read 'this year or so' (which, annoyingly, I can't find or remember the source of - Economist, I think..?) which argued that much of the root cause of the London Problem is that its size in relation to sister cities across the country is vastly imbalanced compared to the spread of city sizes in other countries.
There's a hint of that argument here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finan…
This is the logic underpinning the probably flawed (in that it's not ambitious enough) HS2 train upgrades: that of bringing together northern metropolises (‘metropolii’?) to make a comparable 'super city' up in the 'North' (being from Northumberland, I'm bemused by people calling Manchester, which is in the midlands from my perspective, 'The North' :) )
- bumdrizzle0
I'm not massively surprised that RBS and Lloyds (both largely owned by the UK gov) are saying exactly what the UK gov would like them to say.
It's still unclear wether it is a brass plaque or operations - most of which are already based in London - they are talking about. So the actual impact on the Scottish economy in the event of a relocation is difficult to speculate on. (I used to work for RBS btw, and if both mainframes are still based at Fettes and Gogaburn it's not exactly straightforward for them to up sticks and move operations).
You could argue that the banks trying to influence democratic process is one of the reasons Scotland might want to run her own affairs.
- yeah, that's why I mentioned it maybe being seen as a positive by the Yes vote. A real clean break from the old system.Wolfboy
- _niko0
What happens when this so called oil runs out? come crying back to England? And it's not like they found a clean source of renewable energy or anything, just going to burn that shit and fuck up the planet even further...but i guess it's better than england doing the same thing