Scottish independence
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- bliznutty0
democracy they say, is like 2 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what's for dinner
i don't get it either.. if 51% of a population feels a certain way, i don't think that 49% should have to suffer. the world is big enough to hold different ideas, have many nations of diversity, why is that it has to be one big ol' group? i'd prefer to live in a world of virtual nations, where individuals choose the system they want to support and be supported by, or don't choose one at all. democracy IMO still is a type of unfair force-feeding of the masses..
- sem0
- sem0
Would be funny if the stubborn Glaswegians went independent on their own.
That said I'm not sure the rest of Scotland would mind, their crime rates would drop dramatically.
- babaganush0
- <made.com epic fail...babaganush
- lol someone is fired.sem
- i_monk0
It's easy to point out the unknowns to "scare" people into voting No? Was it difficult to promise them everything if they vote Yes? It seemed like the Yes campaign relied almost entirely on things they couldn't deliver for one reason or another.
- sem0
- is that sony's new google glass rival? http://www.theverge.…set
- lol derp http://cdn1.vox-cdn.…sem
- raf0
- set0
Usual sensationalist youtube title but...
- bullshitfadein11
- lol
– sem1/3
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- Aristotleset - fuck me i'm failing at QBN todayset
- It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- Aristotleset - Haha you got there in the end Set. And I agree good sir.sem
- hahaset
- Though was it not Scottish people counting the votes? plus 400,000 or so in the wrong pile unnoticed?sem
- The whole voting/counting system is an utter shit storm isn't itset
- sem0
- babaganush0
Change is good. Change for change sake (which was a risk factory here) isn't.
I think Scotland comes out of this fantastic.
1. The yes voters destroyed all predictions in how close it got, they have forced an immediate statement and agenda for change from the government - that Cameron has now reaffirmed in his first post result statement
2. They have now been seen to do everything in their power to keep a union while clearly showing as date for proven change and increased power. If this isn't delivered, if there is another referendum in 15-20 years, I imagine even the rest of the UK will support their stance to leave the union
3. Cameron has also had to tackle head-on and pre-empt greater devolved powers to Wales, Northern Ireland and other non London, regions. Throwing the spotlight on less dictatorship from Westminster/London and increased chances of change for the entire of Britain. This isn't to say anyone is under the illusion that any if this is guarenteed or will be followed through but it does force the political establishment to listen to all dissatisfied people in all parts of the UK.
4. The pound stays strong and is at present the strongest it's been for a while, so if any if the devolved powers are delivered, in theory everyone has an increased chance to see some promise of increased prosperity backed by a strong, trusted currency.
All of this is still a long way from being delivered but as opposed to separatism, there is a lot more tangible improvement on offer here than the alternative (certainly in the immediate future) for 60 plus million people.
- disagree - the whole process has forced a probable federal system of govt which will have a whole new raft of problems. Scotland have come out of it okay though yepfadein11
- have come out of it okay though yepfadein11
- Well I think it's clear that change is required - for Britain. Many feel that. The point was where does separtatism get us ( the 99%)babaganush
- lowimpakt0
bottlers
- deathboy0
dammit i was excited for them. fuckin cock teases
- babaganush0
Definite 'No' now.
- futuremongolian0
Benfal, Scotland and Quebec aren't even remotely similar.
Quebecois nationalism, driven by the PQ, is based on fear. Scottish nationalism has a much stronger economic dimension.
The SNP is inclusive. the PQ is xenophobic. The PQ had to to try to trick voters with their question, Scotland's question was clear and straightforward.
Quebec has more powers in Canada than Scotland does in the UK.
Quebec was never a country, Scotland is ancient. Etc. Etc.
- Not to mention, if Quebecois separated, First Nations would want and fight for half the province.futuremongolian
- the MAJOR difference between Scotland and Quebec. We're speaking french and we're surrounded by englo.benfal99
- Gee, amazing how Europe survives. Tiny nations and many languages.ETM
- babaganush0
Yep.
Well done people of Scotland - I mean that to 'yes' also. Brilliant turn out, I hope the commitments promised for more powers materialise, hard to see how anyone can side step such an overwhelming vote for change.
I will be happy for a proud nation (as it is) to be part if the UK and work towards trying to eradicate the abundance of shite in Westminster, to try to ensure that no one in the entire land should visit a food bank and the like.