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- yurimon0
http://inhabitat.com/korean-scie…
Korean Scientists Recycle Cigarette Butts into High-Performance Supercapacitors
- Morning_star0
I'm intreagued as to how the mechanics of this works.
- give half the placebo, see if adrenaline is actually helping or hurting... not hard to figure outmonospaced
- So why give a placebo at all.Morning_star
- mono of the day********
- They give the placebo to see if the adrenaline works or notmonospaced
- how can you not understand this?monospaced
- for example, if you claim homeopathy works, then you compare to a placebomonospaced
- see, the adrenaline is a last resort and can actually hurt more than it helps, so they're seeing if it helps at allmonospaced
- Two pills. One is adrenaline, one is placebo (non active sugar pill). Why give the placebo, the patient is unconscious?Morning_star
- To see if adrenaline actually works. I'm no sure if you're really this dense or just trolling me.monospaced
- If you didn't give them a placebo you'd still get the same result. Right? They're are often unconscious and unaware of the medical procedures going on So why give a placebo at all. It's a simple question. What is the placebo doing that is different from 'no pill'.Morning_star
- medical procedures going on So why give a placebo at all. It's a simple question. What is the placebo doing that is different from 'no pill'.Morning_star
- from the patient getting nothing.Morning_star
- it's a way of seeing if the adrenaline actually works or not, or if it's just unnecessarymonospaced
- it's quite possible the adrenaline doesn't work at all, and when it works it's just chancemonospaced
- I see what you mean though, why give anything at all if it's simply non-treatment?monospaced
- ********0
^ Wanted to see exactly where Rosetta was, google delivered -
- wrong feckin thread init********
- wrong page* too stoned for this shit********
- here this might help
http://www.qbn.com/t…monospaced - Science page approved. Pretty sweet.wagshaft
- wrong feckin thread init
- ********0
Yurimon, what was that youtube video that you posted about a European farmer that uses regenerative agriculture to grow a variety of crops on his land?
- scarabin0
- GMO ftwmoldero
- the water tractor beam is cool!sarahfailin
- scarabin0
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- Did Arofnosky use this in Noah ?_me_
- the worlds biggest mass extinction came from the volcanoes eruptingsarahfailin
- yurimon0
http://disinfo.com/2014/08/secre…
The Secret Science Boards of TED And The Question of Consciousness
- < Scientific dogma in action.Morning_star
- More like actual science in action. Religion in action is just butt fucking and bombing.monospaced
- Religion, honestly? Can you not shine a critical light at science without imediately bringing religion into it. You're obsessed.Morning_star
- haha, if you are trying to discredit science because it hasn't answered concsiousness, that's patheticmonospaced
- Science is a process not a position. We know so little about the universe that your inability to accept we/science doesn't know everything is just stupid.Morning_star
- everything is just closed minded.Morning_star
- exactly, it's a process, so why the hell do you state it's dogma? make up your mindmonospaced
- What TED did was make its decision based on current materialist perspective. That's dogmatic. That's based on the belief that there is nothing more to this universe than matter and there is more than enough evidence to suggest otherwise.Morning_star
- the belief that there is nothing more to this universe than matter and there is more than enough evidence to suggest otherwise.Morning_star
- there's no evidence that there's more than matter, actually, it's a fundamental law, in factmonospaced
- and that materialistic perspective is the rigorous scientific testing that's gone on for thousands of yearsmonospaced
- That maybe so but it's not enough to explain what we are experiencing with quantum physics for example.Morning_star
- the ONLY thing that explains quantum mechanics is the science behind itmonospaced
- If you'd said 'the ONLY thing that WILL explain quantum mechanics is scientific endeavour' I would agree.Morning_star
- hence, you admit that there is a scientific explanation out there and that it does not fall into the realm of non-explainablemonospaced
- Morning_star0
^
Consciousness studies are the thorn in the materialist/atheist side. More often than not the theories, debates, scientific papers etc are swept under the carpet with claims of pseudoscience by the materialist scientific establishment. The universe(s) should be explored/studied free from existing dogma and prejudice.- Not a thorn. A challenge. You act as if ANYONE anywhere has an answer. The bible doesn't.monospaced
- AT LEAST scientists are TRYING to figure it out unlike religious retards who gave up 2000 years afo.monospaced
- You need to get over your science vs religion obsession. Science has its own problems without bringing the fucking religious into it.Morning_star
- religious into it. Even when science does have a glimmer of an answer the dogmatic materialist scupper the debate. Morons.Morning_star
- Moronic to the point of faith.Morning_star
- science came from the the old religion.yurimon
- i would say instead that both science and religion stem from human curiosity. religion was just our first attempt at answering things. an admirable attempt but ultimately wrong.scarabin
- things. an admirable attempt but ultimately wrong. its only use now is in helping us understand the internal, rather than the externalscarabin
- external.scarabin
- the mind speaks in symbols, the universe in mathscarabin
- YOU brought religion into it, Morning_star, by saying it was a thorn in the atheists side. Which it isn't.monospaced
- So your position is one that claims we are biological robots and Consciousness is an illusion?Morning_star
- yes, it's that we are biological machines and consciousness is an amazing result of biologymonospaced
- mostly because there's no evidence for any other explanation, except "it must be magic"monospaced
- but really because neuroscience has explained it extremely wellmonospaced
- "Materialist" You are so focused on picking that fight, but I've never heard a good explanation of what it actually means to be non-materialistukit2
- "non-materialist." Are you saying it can't be measured by humans, and if so how would we ever prove or disprove it?ukit2
- and just because it can't be measures is the most stupid reason for assuming it's supernaturalmonospaced
- "science can't explain it, therefore: god" is idioticmonospaced
- You really need to stop this religious obsession. You're the one that keeps making the leap to god. All I'm suggesting is that to claim that we understand the complete nature of the universe is ridiculous. Especially in the light of quantum theory, dark energy and matter, neither of which adhere to the current model that articulates what we claim to know' about the universe.Morning_star
- to claim that we understand the complete nature of the universe is ridiculous. Especially in the light of quantum theory, dark energy and matter, neither of which adhere to the current model that articulates what we claim to know' about the universe.Morning_star
- energy and matter, neither of which adhere to the current model that articulates what we claim to know' about the universe.Morning_star
- Universe.Morning_star
- derp, science doesn't claim to have it all figured out, and science is still not a belief system ;)monospaced
- It does though, that's the point.Morning_star
- haha, scientists would be the first to acknowledge they don't have it all figured out. What do you think they spend their time on?ukit2
- The scientific establishment will not even entertain the discussion of science that doesn't conform to the current materialist paradigm. TED is a prime example.Morning_star
- paradigm. TED is a prime example of this.
Morning_star - you couldn't be more wrong... the MOST $ in science is being poured into what we don't understandmonospaced
- there is no theory on matter and existence that anyone conforms to, just the LHC and the like working on itmonospaced
- monospaced0
- You're a funny fucker.Morning_star
- Are you a robot without a soul?yurimon
- Not me.Morning_star
- Yes, you are, actually.monospaced
- arrogant bellendfadein11
- hahaha, yeah, just insult, real upstanding, but entirely expected from a thread non-contributormonospaced
- Morning_star0
The results were jaw-dropping, with 'hits' such as 100% accuracy on two random numbers, one eight digits and the other nine; 60 to 100% accuracy on three of the five-letter nonsense words; 100% accuracy on six out of twelve equations with 15 to 19 digits each; and between 81 to 100% accuracy on sentences of between 18 and 35 letters. The video and audio surveillance showed no evidence of cueing or fraud.
- bwaaahahahahaa, and? I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the point you're making with thismonospaced
- http://uproxx.files.…ApeRobot
- Thank, you've made my point for me. You are so certain that this cannot be real you dismiss it without investigation. An that's called belief.Morning_star
- called belief.
Morning_star - if you think this study is actual evidence, then you have to get your head checked, sorry bromonospaced
- It's a series of tests that show a phenomenon that cannot be explained and requires further investigation. Or are you claiming to be able to explain the results.Morning_star
- to be able to explain the results, oh great one ;)Morning_star
- monospaced has spoken. listen to his wisdom. incredible.fadein11
- I'm saying those tests are weak at best. No need to make fun of someone just because they're right. It's bad science. Period.monospaced
- You are not right, by any stretch of the imagination. Even when shown anomalous evidence that challenges the materialist paradigm, you KNOW it's wrong? In the face of contrary evidence your blind faith is impressive to say the least.Morning_star
- you KNOW the truth. Yet, you never offer contrary evidence, just narrow minded opinion. Your blind faith is impressive to say the least.Morning_star
- the least.Morning_star
- Ever heard the the saying extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?ukit2
- When it is some "researcher" who already belongs to the Parapsychological Organization and went in believing this stuff, natural reaction is to be suspicious.ukit2
- and the story is published in some sketchy looking psychic news site, natural reaction is to be suspicious that what they are claiming is true.ukit2
- claiming is true. After all there are many ways to fake the results of an experiment.ukit2
- Do you believe in ghosts too?
Hey look, "evidence"...
http://www.dailygrai…ukit2 - < Some guy said it, it must be trueukit2
- I've already given links to hundreds of experiments and peer reviewed papers by reputable labs. Is your position so weak that you have to criticise the people rather than the results. As for 'extraordinary claims etc' it's a bullshit statement. 'Exatraordinary' has a subjective meaning, what is extraordinary to you may be perfectly ordinary to me. It's a tricksy way of bringing subjectivity into scientific method. Look at the data, analyse it then share your results. Simple and scientific.Morning_star
- so weak that you have to criticise the people rather than the results. As for 'extraordinary claims etc' it's a bullshit statement. 'Exatraordinary' has a subjective meaning, what is extraordinary to you may be perfectly ordinary to me. It's a tricksy way of bringing subjectivity into scientific method. Look at the data, analyse it then share your results. Simple and scientific.Morning_star
- bullshit statement. 'Exatraordinary' has a subjective meaning, what is extraordinary to you may be perfectly ordinary to me. It's a tricksy way of bringing subjectivity into scientific method. Look at the data, analyse it then share your results. Simple and scientific.Morning_star
- to me. It's a tricksy way of bringing subjectivity into scientific method. Look at the data, analyse it then share your results. Simple and scientific.Morning_star
- your results. Simple and scientific.Morning_star
- Not really, the links you provided are all to people like Dean Radin who make a living out of being the go to psychic expertukit2
- In the video you posted, Radin stated he believes the entire universe is made up of consciousness. How he jumped all the way to that conclusion not sure, but not exactly neutral.ukit2
- all the way to that conclusion based on some anomolous test results not sure, but gives you an idea of his extreme bias on this issue.ukit2
- A truly scientific approach would be to not assume any particular explanation, but to try to uncover the mechanism by which this stuff is supposedly occurring.ukit2
- And the problem with that is? What exactly is wrong with Dean Radin and the labs and experiments he's involved with. Again, criticise the results all you like but attacking the people is just weak.Morning_star
- stuff is supposedly occurring. Instead of jumping to these pre-conceived new age ideas.ukit2
- Again, criticise the results all you like but attacking the people is just weak.Morning_star
- It's not preconceived. His analysis is based on decades of results. He's an expert in his field, of course he's going to have a bias. As long as he approaches his experiments with neutrality, which he does, then what's the problem. Are you suggesting that Dawkins should twat on about the selfish gene because he's an expert in genetics?Morning_star
- have a bias. As long as he approaches his experiments with neutrality, which he does, then what's the problem. Are you suggesting that Dawkins should twat on about the selfish gene because he's an expert in genetics?Morning_star
- Are you suggesting that Dawkins shouldnt twat on about the selfish gene because he's an expert in genetics?Morning_star
- It's pretty easy to self-declare yourself an "expert" in a non-existent field. If someone claims to be a Bigfoot expert and spent their life looking for Bigfoot, do you believe them over everyone else?ukit2
- their life looking for Bigfoot, and gets funding from people on that basis, do you believe them over everyone else?ukit2
- There is an audience of people who want to believe in this psychic powers stuff, and people like Radin tell them what they want to hearukit2
- want to hearukit2
- It comes down to the evidence. I don't care if it's Bigfoot, ESP or the Higgs Boson, if the evidence is collected with scientific rigour and stands up to scrutiny then it has to be considered, until, someone can prove otherwise. Claiming truth is dependent on the person who delivers it is idiotic.Morning_star
- and stands up to scrutiny then it has to be considered, until, someone can prove otherwise. Claiming truth is dependent on the person who delivers it is idiotic.Morning_star
- the person who delivers it is idiotic.Morning_star
- It's not idiotic because everyone defers to authority to some extent. If you read something in the National Inquirer, especially a ridiculous far-fetched claim, you are less inclined to believe it than if read in the Guardian or BBC (I hope).ukit2
- ridiculous far-fetched claim, you are less inclined to believe it than if read in the Guardian or BBC (I hope).ukit2
- Previously you said you thought Deepak Chopra was a fraud, which I completely agree with. Well if that's true doesn't it raise a few questions as to why Radin allows him to publish his books and even write the introduction to his latest book?ukit2
- question as to why Radin allows him to publish his books and even write the introduction to his latest book?ukit2
- This is getting too long, my reply is down there.Morning_star
- a kid hears a different horn outside one day, and they call that ESP evidence? c'mon...scarabin
- this site is the westboro baptist church of "science"scarabin
- monospaced0
^ bullshit study is done non-blind, with the ONLY two therapists (not doctors or scientists, therapists) who had ALREADY reported her "telepathic" abilities. That's about as bad as a "scientific" study can imaginably get.
- even this stupid article says it's 100% inconclusive and finishes with the conclusion that it's probably not real at allmonospaced
- Regardless, Mono has no experience with unexplained phenomena anyway. he is a cyborg plugged into the grid..yurimon
- and you can go on and on about how it's not explained, but until someone actually tries this can't be entertained seriosulymonospaced
- lol, yuri, you have fun with all your unexplained phenomenamonospaced
- can't compute...
http://stream1.gifso…yurimon - face you are not spiritual. whether you have the capacity or you blocked who know. monobot.yurimon
- err face it.
anywho. you need to look inside you.yurimon - yuri, I have had spiritual moments, and when I'm in nature I can feel mother earth and all that, trust memonospaced
- and in my deepest beliefs, I believe all people are equally spiritual as human beings and members of the planetmonospaced
- the fact there is no proof for telepathy, is itself not a proof that it doesnt. It remains in a superstate, it may or not may be truedrgs
- mono's pineal gland is massively calcified due to all the fluoride he ingests. Poor thing.********
- Because all of you have had spiritual telepathic experience right?ukit2
- Dropping acid doesn't count btwukit2
- I have on many occasions********
- Just because you haven't doesn't mean everyone else hasn't. That's a bit of a thick outlook, my friend.********
- how do you relax mono? do you have many friends?fadein11
- < Are you really picking on monospaced for not believing in telepathy? hahaukit2
- Seriously. You've got to be one gullible dope to even take it seriously. It simply has never held up. Ever.monospaced
- That is just not true. Even when faced with evidence your blind faith in scientism allows you alone to KNOW the truth. Your faith is impressive to say the least.Morning_star
- faith is impressive to say the least.Morning_star
- Yup********
- no, it hasn't, sorry :(monospaced
- drgs0
- ukit20
An ANU team has successfully replicated one of the crucial steps in photosynthesis, opening the way for biological systems powered by sunlight which could manufacture hydrogen as a fuel.
“Water is abundant and so is sunlight. It is an exciting prospect to use them to create hydrogen, and do it cheaply and safely,” said Dr. Kastoori Hingorani, from the ARC Centre of Excellence for Translational Photosynthesis in the ANU Research School of Biology.
- Morning_star0
@ukit2
I'm guessing that you have no wish to understand or interrogate the evidence? Like most who have a problem supporting a weak argument your attempt to focus on the 'people' is an admission that either you haven't looked at the data or you have looked at the data and you don't like what it says. The data/evidence is all that counts, it doesn't matter if it was collected by Albert Einstein or Father Christmas. The authority of the source of the information, is again, irrelevant as long as the evidence has been collected using accepted scientific method and is available to interrogate. You're right about The National Enquirer vs The Guardian, but you'd be a fool to accept anything either source say without understanding the facts that support their claims.
I view Chopra in the same way as I view Dawkins and others, essentially they are media friendly rent-a-mouths who are wheeled in to spout polarising views. That however doesn't mean that they have nothing important to say or have no valuable experience. Dawkins and Chopra can be eloquent, interesting and insightful, but stick a camera or a microphone in front of them and they tend to default to fundamentalist arse, which I imagine, is exactly why we see so much of them.
- ukit20
You try to make it sound as if Radin's tests are widely respected when in fact plenty of people have raised questions about them and pointed out errors.
Here's a good example that pretty much tears him apart point by point:
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/wh…
Now have I personally pored through his studies and analyzed them point by point? No, and not only am I not going to waste time doing that, I won't pretend that I have the scientific expertise to make a qualified judgement - you shouldn't either.
A big difference between Deepak Chopra and Dawkins is that while they are both self promoters, Dawkins is actually a real scientist. Meanwhile Chopra is out there selling pseudoscience as medicine. He charges AIDS patients and other terminally ill people to treat them using the kind of psychic theories he and Radin advocate.
- teh0
Since we are on the subject of solar.
- any movement on this?BrokenHD
- yeah rightmoldero
- moose powered roadwayssarahfailin
