The Healthy Thread
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- jagara2
So, I'm a bit of a chubby chub-chub.
Thinking of doing simple intermittend fasting (eating twice a day, skipping breakfast), so 16 hours no food, and 8 hours with.
First meal at 12:00, last meal at 8.
It seems perfectly doable for me. At least skipping breakfast.
Tried it? Had good results?
- It depends. You just need to eat less calories than you spend. If this gets you there, great.dmay
- ^ This. Being in a calorie deficit will make you lose weight.
Around 500 kcal/day will do you, though I would recommend strength training to go with it.Continuity - ^ This.
Intermittent fasting is not a magic pill. Any diet might have side effects that could help towards your goal but the solution is never the diet itself.palimpsest - Technically, intermittent fasting isn't a diet, it's an eating schedule. But yeah, you can't fast and eat junk food and expect weight loss.jagara
- '[...] you can't fast and eat junk food and expect weight loss.'
Sure, you can. Provided you're still in a calorie deficit.Continuity - Any change in your eating habit is a diet regardless of the desired outcome.palimpsest
- I'm overweight and I know it's not because I'm eating 3 meals.
Fat storage is created by "excess" calorie intake. As simple as that.palimpsest - I think what dmay, Continuity and myself are really getting to is the reason why you have fat storage and the ways to go around reducing that.palimpsest
- Either intake less calories in whatever way you're taking them or use them.
But also do crunches, because that targets abdominal fat.palimpsest - You'll know it's working because you'll feel the calories burning. XDpalimpsest
- ^ This.Continuity
- It has worked for me but only because the fasting rule helped be curb my total calorie intakenb
- I understand the excitement of anyone taking on a diet. Already it makes you think about what you're already eating. Don't miss the forest for the trees.palimpsest
- Ive been doing intermittent fasting for about a year. Initially drop weight to make it easier on my knees for running. Lost about 7kg over 3 months....thumb_screws
- ...but then it plateaued. I still do the fasting, I needed to get into some healthier routines and found it stops me from snacking when I don’t need too.thumb_screws
- i used an app to track my calories several years ago (entering every meal for a couple months) and learned to have a running tally in my head throughout the daykingsteven
- @kingsteven
From experience that is a solid option. I did it for a week, I weighed everything. It gives you a clearer understanding of what you're consuming.palimpsest - @thumb_screws
Another option is strength training which many runners avoid. I think the overall message here is to have an objective view of what really works.palimpsest - it has kept me right. i have a few caveats: fruit can be deceptive on a calorie diet - if you eat a lot of junk you will tend to substitute with too much fruitkingsteven
- = no weight loss. about 50% of the calories in nuts pass straight through you, so nuts tend to look bad on a calorie diet but actually often a better optionkingsteven
- as they fill you up. similarly to nuts you will piss away a lot of the calories in liquids. but. overall you need to choose food with high satiety.kingsteven
- generally food which is sweet + fat won't contribute to the sense of fullness. so drinking a sweet drink with a meal is counter-productive.kingsteven
- Sounds like essential oils but whatever works for you.palimpsest
- i just started this. but with different expectations. i know the initial weight loss will plateau. I went to IF for the autophagy. And I will be movingMrAbominable
- to keto also. Keto helps with the hunger but the few weeks getting there will suck. also, I'm doing Breaky and Lunch, no dinner. Tend to overeat at dinner.MrAbominable
- #essentialoilspalimpsest
- 'about 50% of the calories in nuts pass straight through you, so nuts tend to look bad on a calorie diet but actually often a better option'Continuity
- You're fooling yourself.Continuity
- Nuts have an astonishing amount of fat and fat — all fats, regardless of source or nature — has 9 kcal per grams, versus 4 kcal per gram in protein and carbs.Continuity
- i'm talking about the caveats of only counting calories. calorie controlled diets tend to cut out nuts but you don't process all the calories and they have manykingsteven
- other nutritional benefits if you're constructing a low calorie diet.kingsteven
- We're not saying nuts are bad. Oreos aren't bad either. We're talking strictly about weight loss. Calories in, calories out.palimpsest
- "nuts pass straight through you" is a fucking joke. They have some fast-pass road badge or something?palimpsest
- 'you don't process all the calories'
Are you having a laugh? If this were true, no-one would be fat.Continuity - 5% of ingested calories are lost in stools and urine. you loose up to 50% of calories in nuts as they are only partially digested.kingsteven
- Source, please.Continuity
- "If you drink your own urine there's no waste"palimpsest
- Weight loss is all about calories. Get to around 1500-1600/day and pounds will fly off.
I eat lunch at 10-ish, dinner at 7, and a few snacks.formed - That doesn't make you lose weight, though. Count those calories, short of running marathons it's the only way (and it's super simple/easy).formed
- ^palm is right. Nuts can be very healthy, but you only need a few almonds a day. They will totally make you gain weight, FAST, if you don't pay attention.formed
- https://www.forbes.c…kingsteven
- i can't find the exact study, but it would seem that some products now use lower counts.kingsteven
- #essentialoilspalimpsest
- Yeah, I'm not buying this.Continuity
- I highly recommend not skipping breakfast unless you are not hungry. Your body will crave double time. Ensure you get your proteins and base. You got this.dibec
- i couldn't find the study that was 50% but there's plenty out there. the one in the forbes article is 32% less for almonds vs FDA measurementkingsteven
- O! watch that ketosis, some people really jack themselves during fasting diets.dibec
- i 100% agree that it's all about cutting calories just think it's useful to know how you process food/drink affects how your body processes itkingsteven
- Nuts pass straight through you.palimpsest
- This is behind the whole #gorp movement.palimpsest
- https://www.ncbi.nlm… average 32% discrepancy between FDA calorie count and empirically measured count in almondskingsteven
- i only mention it as a caveatkingsteven
- hundreds of studies out there if you care to look.kingsteven
- Do your own research.palimpsest
- hah, the forbes article is about why the FDA allow manufacturers of nut products to reduce their calorie counts based on this method, but surekingsteven
- OK, chief.palimpsest
- Ignore all the addons, just start doing the fasting now and think about more when you've adjusted to the first step.kalkal
- Pay attention to PDCAAS, which is how much of your protein you absorb. Eat less, in general. Liquid diet now and then. Caffeine. These things work.maikel
- The intermittent fasting trick is you eat less. Does not matter if you do it in the eve, morning or intermittently. Beware of overeating cos you feel hungry.maikel
- Challenge accepted.palimpsest
- physical exercise, water, sleep, cut the crap food.ApeRobot
- Caloric restraint, find a healthy lean protein + veg routine that sates your appetite. Pick a new outdoor hobby and start it slow.garbage
- You don't want to hate your path to change, and it's dangerous to overdo it.garbage
- palimpsest2
You have it all wrong.
- Put less in. And do it slowly.Ianbolton
- Put more in and go fast.palimpsest
- Continuity0
So, the whole gelatine-in-burgers thing got me thinking:
Any of you supplementing with collagen? Having turned 50 thirteen days ago, and realising that my tendons and joints aren't what they used to be, I'm thinking collagen might be a good tactic — especially since I'm a frequent lifter.
Any anecdotes to share? Also, what's the recommended dose? Google search results are all over the shop.
- "Realising"? More like finally stopping being in denial, and admitting it.Continuity
- Don't know about collagen but my mother is looking into Platelet-Rich Plasma (PRP) Injections. https://www.hss.edu/…palimpsest
- I've been looking into them to...
https://www.bubsnatu…fooler - Stay Flexy:
https://stayflexy.co…palimpsest
- Continuity2
Eating *too* 'clean', as it turns out, can be detrimental to your overall fat loss/body recomposition goals, and ultimately unsustainable.
(Trigger warning for you anti-carbers and Keto 'n' Crossfit Culties: contains actual real science, empirical data, and an abundance of common sense)
- Shots fired.palimpsest
- Just for what he says about dieting it's worth the watch.palimpsest
- Yurp. With only a couple of exceptions with regards to biomechanics on a couple of movements, Jeff Nippard is a solid science communicator.Continuity
- drgs2
The best sitting position is the next one
Discuss
- Yes. The only bad posture is prolonged posture.palimpsest
- I prefer sitting like this, personally.Continuity
- _niko, sors de ce corps.palimpsest
- shapesalad0
- the only dentist in the world to suggesting not to floss. very brave.pango
- grafician-2
"Small molecule oral cancer drug kills 100% of solid tumors across 70 evaluated cancer types in vitro and in animal models with a therapeutic index of 6 and no discernible side effects
Phase 1 trials now underway "
- utopian0
- this guy is not a 'real' doctor, his channel is to pump his branded of vitaminsshapesalad
- principle standsgrafician
- Continuity2
So, what's going on with creatine monohydrate?
It's sold out in just about every brick-and-mortar shop here in Munich for a dog's age, and ordering it online ... wow, it's gotten eye-wateringly expensive. I've seen prices as high as 78€/kg.
Fucking hell.
- People who dont work out are taking it nowdrgs
- https://www.youtube.…drgs
- The fuck?Continuity
- weird, I was just reading about it last night about aging and started taking some I had around just this morningYakuZoku
- possible side effect - baldness.zardoz
- "We get some creatine from our diet, mainly from animal products such as meat, fish, and poultry. Our bodies manufacture the rest."shapesalad
- https://fitbod.me/bl…shapesalad
- There is no reason not to supplement, creatine has been studied to deathdrgs
- Yup, creatine is good shitcrazyprick
- drgs1
Low fat diets better than low carbo
- Considering 1g of carbs (also 1g of protein) has 4 kcal, and 1 g of fat has a whopping 9 kcal, yeah. Cut fat first.Continuity
- Didn't even need to watch the video to know cutting carbs is a stupid fucking idea.Continuity
- shapesalad-2
https://www.theguardian.com/comm…
"Plastics touching our food may be making us gain weight. Hormone-disrupting chemicals are entering our bodies. We eat 44lbs of plastic in our lifetimes."
More reasons to avoid processed foods, they often are packaged in plastic.
The problem these days is it's really hard to avoid plastic. Milk, yoghurt is mostly in plastic unless you pay a lot more.
Tin cans, that ware white inside - plastic lined.
Greaseproof paper... it's plastic coated.
And those takeaway coffee cups... not paper, again it's plastic coated and containing very hot liquid = not good at all.
I tried to do zero plastic grocery shopping back in 2019, shopping at markets and independent stores etc. But it was hard to completely avoid plastic.
- ALL tin cans, made from aluminium, steel or tin, have a plastic inner lining.Nairn
- there is micro plastic in the water by now.
but it's a good thing not to buy plastic food. less plastic in tin cans than in pet bottles.uan - https://www.theguard…uan
- ^tap water
bottled water:
https://time.com/558…uan
- drgs1
- palimpsest1
- https://www.youtube.…dmay
- Essential oil is a sham. You gotta try coconut oil!pango
- Coconut oil? Pfft.
Flaxseed oil is where it's at.Continuity - Nah fam, canola oil.
https://media.giphy.…mathinc
- shapesalad-6
TLDR - Processed foods are shit for you.
- 4 downvotes from the 4 obese qbn’ersshapesalad
- Why downvoteddrgs
- - Because it's 2 hours long.
- Because of shapesalad's history on this thread.palimpsest - It could also be 6 downvotes and 2 upvotes.palimpsest
- drgs0
https://news.cuanschutz.edu/news…
An evolutionary foraging instinct that relied on the sugar fructose may now be fueling the formation of Alzheimer’s disease
- Industrialised food processes, farming, pesticides etc, processed foods, veg oils, etc, = we are slowly poisoning ourselves.shapesalad
- Its says fructose produced in the brain, not sure if dietary fructose/fruits are involved in this pathwaydrgs