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- fadein110
Sinking of the Belgrano, killing surrendering soldiers was a low point... and "execute every last one of them" in the Iranian hostage crisis was another... and Pinochet... apartheid... polltax... miners strike... the list is too long to feel anything other than repulsion for the woman... oops I forgot Ireland.
- Belgrano was surrendering was it? Where do you fools pull this shit from?detritus
- I actually agree that the Belgrano should have been sunk. It was a war and a threat to British lives.qTime
- As for the Iranian hostage crisis, this is how you deal with people who hold British lives hostage. This has more to do with the SAS.qTime
- totally, qT - the 200 mile exclusion zone was a guide for the rest of the int'l community - not a get-out clausedetritus
- for the argentinian military to take advantage of. It was war - they declared it, fuck them.detritus
- it was retreating and was sunk - fact. read any account of it.
I think you will find most of the hostages in the iranian embassy were not britishfadein11 - embassy were not britishfadein11
- if by retreating you mean 'moving away', then yes - but don't conflate the meanings in the war context.detritus
- moving away from a battle = retreating = no longer a threat. read the geneva conventionfadein11
- it was actually zig zagging in and out. It was a ship that they wanted to use to kill British lives.qTime
- oey0
- monospaced0
Who? j/k
- fadein110
as for this mere shopkeepers daughter garbage - she married a fuckin eccentric millionaire toff in her 20s... was hardly under priviliged.
- kingsteven0
Last chance to sign the petition for no state funeral :)
- more important things to be signing petitions for/against at the momentFax_Benson
- true datkingsteven
- goldieboy0
Fucking get over it! She was a tit, we all know that and she fucked up. But fuck me, kids partying in the street over an old womans death?! Threats of her funeral being targeted?! Are we going to sing and dance over every other world leader when they pass away? They've done worse things on a global scale.
Now she's dead "Yeah, lets dance on her grave because we didn't have a voice over the last 20 years when she was alive".
Haven't given a shit about her over the last 20 years and still don't.- you fuckin' get over it - you're the one ranting. I'm not gonna party fuckwit.fadein11
- Yeah best not talk 'the big stuff', that changed our society. Get back to reading Chick of the Day!qTime
- @qtime- lolfadein11
- I wasn't talking directly at you fadein you paranoid fuckwit. As for the big stuff, I grew up with her as PM so spare me your bollox which I'm sure you'll spout.goldieboy
- bollox which I'm sure you'll spout.goldieboy
- kingkong0
I suppose it's like any politician or political party, if you benefited from their decisions you love them, if you didn't you hate them. As someone from a family that bought their council house, were able to start a successful business and send their kids to a selective grammar school she was a hero in my family.
To many she was a complete hate figure and destroyed jobs and communities.
Cant help wonder what state we'd be in if it wasn't for what she did, in a globalised world. A bit like France or more like Germany or Scandinavia?
One things for sure given the last two or three I'd vote for her tomorrow.
Funny how much of the spineless politics and politicians in the UK are as much to do with the reaction to not be like thatcher during the 90's. Absolute gimps to a man.
- you can gain personally from a set of policies and still hate what happens to the majority who get left out.Fax_Benson
- Fax_Benson, some people are individualists other people see the whole picture.oey
- How can i feel happy with a good thing that happens to me and as I look around the World is dead?oey
- it wasnt, I saw a whole bunch of working class families where I grew up benefit massively.kingkong
- then that's alright then Kingkong,georgesIII
- yep pretty muchkingkong
- Now imagine if you were a miner, or a farmer or a prole or anyone who didn't benefit from her largessegeorgesIII
- loadsssaa moneyykingsteven
- Ah, that old tory principle of 'as long as i'm rich the rest can do one'isakosmo
- trooperbill0
you forget how the uk was failing as a country when she came to power and she turned things around. the unions were crippling businesses by keeping wage bills high which made exports uncompetative. sure she deregulated the banks which caused 2 recessions (1992 and 2010) and encouraged families to split up leading to the decline of society and morals but wed have been in a worse state if these things hadnt happened. dont forget we had many years of a labor government and they never countermanded her laws/systems!
- << Sure, she led to the decline of society and morals, but hey, eventually we could all afford to buy a Mondeo on a credit card.eoin
- Morning_star0
She did more for the Punk and Rave scenes than any artist ever did.
- Punk pre dates her.kingkong
- and Im pretty sure rave had nothing to do with anti establishment. I only remember the drugskingkong
- in the same way that WW2 was great for peace in Europe.Fax_Benson
- I guess your experiences of the early-mid eighties were different to mine.Morning_star
- clearly
kingkong - erm, rave wasnt exactly political, but its roots were very much from the 'anti establishment'detritus
- I mean, purely in terms of its location and physicality.detritus
- fadein110
^ I bet he doesn't vote
- georgesIII0
- wrong threqd..georgesIII
- kill it of the dayoey
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- MrT0
- kingsteven0
my personal obsession with thatcher's death is more to do with the 30+ years of art it's inspired and it's commonality across non-mainstream political ideologies. TBF it's mostly gesturing - the first video in this thread 'the day that thatcher dies' by hefner explains it beautifully. a lad in a schoolyard trying to prove that he's socialist to win over a girl - by fantasising that he'll dance and sing all night when thatcher dies. to me that's a beautiful romantic sentiment.
- Exactly. Us weak, lazy, useless humans are at our most creative in times of hardship and need.Ianbolton
- lowimpakt0
interesting discussion on the radio this morning where her senior economic advisor admitted that her shock policies were in part the cause of the welfare state, which more than tripled under her watch.
he also admitted that the problems caused by this are still felt today
- lowimpakt0
"Her legacy is of public division, private selfishness and a cult of greed, which together shackle far more of the human spirit than they ever set free."