Against Me! Transgender
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- JackRyan0
I was at a local drinkery last night when this subject came up...me and another couple of guys have either toured with, or supported them at some point. We called bullshit.
- Or guaranteed hype in columns worldwide?23kon
- Thats what we surmised...
JackRyan - there's gotta be an easier wayohhhhhsnap
- nocomply0
Blowing my mind. I read the article like 4 times and checked other sources just to be sure. But nothing but full support.
After digesting it for about an hour now I've concluded that true or not, Tom Gabel / Laura Jane Grace = total punk rock.
- zoozoo0
you can be a deformed alien with 4 penises but if you are playing pop rock...you are playing pop rock
- robotron3k0
he's staying with his wife and child so he's actually coming out as a lesbian...???
- zoozoo0
maybe he just wants tits.
- ohhhhhsnap0
a little humanness into their experiences
http://mhpshow.msnbc.msn.com/_ne…awesome article.
good luck to her.
- mikotondria30
Awesome - what a genuinely more civil and compassionate thread this is, compared to what it would have been even 10, maybe 5 years ago. The more people know and get to know, and become friends with, and love, people with gender-assignment and expression differences from themselves, the more accepted it becomes, and the more people with those identities express it and so it accelerates. I don't care one way or another what you want to be called or identify as, whether you want to be called he or she, or who you're attracted to, and I think that's truer and truer for more people.
- the more people don't care the more it shows the general acceptance of it.pango
- It will never be truly accepted tho. You dont think ppl are going to snicker at him for the rest of his life?CygnusZero4
- absolutely agree with you mikoohhhhhsnap
- cannonball19780
None of my business. Even if it was, I couldn't care less.
- ebertzjaw0
attention whore.
ironic considering the % of sex change folks who end up as hookers.
- nothing scaier than a gaggle of ladyboy hoors high on yabbaebertzjaw
- they end up as hookers because of the weight of the world that they take on + job discrimination.ohhhhhsnap
- Yeah pretty sure there are very few normal jobs they can work so there's not a lot of other options.CygnusZero4
- i dont see the ironyzoozoo
- CygnusZero4 what planet r u on? r u a repub?ohhhhhsnap
- ernexbcn0
Never heard of this band.
- i_monk0
^
- colin_s0
was a fan of against me for awhile 'til they went to warner, but this took most of the punk community by surprise. either way, more power to him/her. the full article is out now in rolling stone and really worth a read.
- sine0
i saw a documentary a while back on trans-genders. they have to undergo psychological evaluation before being allowed to undergo treatment or sexual re-assignment surgery (unless they go the underground/Mexico route). nip/tuck has also had some interesting episodes that tackled this issue. i consider myself pretty liberal... yet it's still something i don't understand. anyway, i don't really have a point to make... a few years ago my dad had an applicant for a girl-friday/secretary position that was obviously a trans-gender. we had a lengthy discussion on the topic at a sunday lunch. it's definitely still very far from being accepted in the mainstream. my dad did conclude that he would not throw out her application just based on that fact, but it would be very hard for him to employ her (a financial company who does business with big construction firms and government).
- a also remember a cnn or bbc reporter that slowly underwent transformation from male to female while still working and presenting stories on a weekly basissine
- presenting stories on a weekly basis. can't remember his/her name though.sine
- I think it's a total litmus test to see if your compassion is unhooked from prejudice - imagine the torment of being trapped in the wrong body.. ??!mikotondria3
- ..trapped in a body of the opposite sex that your gender tell you you are ?? What a headfuck that must be..mikotondria3
- waste of precious medical resources.. from the synthesis of the hormones to the operating table time..ebertzjaw
- it's a mental illness.ebertzjaw
- sine. it makes the world of difference when someone can step up and be an ally. too bad your dad didn't.ohhhhhsnap
- CygnusZero40
I think even aside from never really truly being accepted in public or in the workplace, most of them never really look like women so even after all the treatments and shit, you can almost always seem to be able to tell so every single place they ever go for the rest of their lives, people will snicker at them, hate them, find them offensive, even assault them in rare instances. That must be completely awful. Could you even imagine not being able to go to a convenient store without people laughing at you? Rough fucking life but I guess they're willing to deal with it. I couldn't.
I dont have a problem with them doing as Ive said before, people can do whatever makes them happy, and I would never make fun of them, but I have a very hard time calling them her or she. Dunno, just seems strange to me personally. I cant call a guy she just because he went and got breast implants or whatever else they get done.
- Like when I read that article and it says he and she to me. It doesnt look right. That's not a woman.CygnusZero4
- they're not a she. put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig, ehebertzjaw
- see dozens of trannies every day.they're most untrustworthy people you can imagine...ebertzjaw
- theifs, liars, druggies... how low must their self respect be if they're up for genital mutilation?ebertzjaw
- stop being stupid.ohhhhhsnap
- that's a lot of generalization right therescarabin
- dbloc0
interview on KROQ
- those radio DJs are complete douche bagsfooler
- ya they can be, but they are pretty damn funny some mornings.BabySnakes