"Your Logo Is Gross"
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- e-wo
When true, do you say this to a client when hired to redesign the site? If so, how?
Tried to sell them on rebranding, drew up a few concepts, and they clung insistently to the old wretched logo. Yuck - certainly makes the site design process harder.
I certainly can't design to the existing logo, so should I just hold a shape in its place until the last step, wherein I hold my nose, drop it back in, and deliver?
- monospaced0
the last part
- Continuity0
Shut up and put up, basically.
In my experience, clients who are Hell-bent on hanging on to shit anything — as far as their visual brand expression goes (not just logos) — go tits-up sooner rather than later anyway, because they refuse to see the value of making sure everything both looks good and makes sense.
- <-- this, with your follow-up comment. Ultimately, they will fail, but so will you if you work for clients like that.hargbine
- Mishga0
show us your design and their logo...
- Continuity0
^ That said, I think trying to give your opinion (diplomatically) and suggesting alternatives — and making sure to give very strong reasons why — is part of our professional responsibility. But, if they don't budge, don't press the point.
- dMullins0
Simply stated, "We cannot and will not work with this. Sorry, but we have a certain standard of quality here."
- doesnotexist0
don't do any work, first off. do the above ^, and show them competitors logos (the good, successful ones).
if they don't want to, don't do the project or work with it.
but using a placeholder while laying out the site is a terrible idea. shouldn't the site reflect some kind of essence from the mark?
- e-wo0
Being that I've already accepted the gig and begun work, I have to find a way. Any suggestions on convincing them away from the old and reasoning the strength of the new?
- If they're not being rational or reasonable about it, then there's probably a perfectly stupid emotional reason for it.mikotondria3
- Which will be like arguing with your girlfriend, who has decided that you wanting to see a certain movie one night, and not the..mikotondria3
- his sister made the logo. and she's dead.doesnotexist
- ...one she had suggested means you think her skinnier friend is hot, and that you hate her, and her hair. And shoes.mikotondria3
- Or you hate her dead sister.
mikotondria3 - yep, dead sister.doesnotexist
- doesnotexist0
choose your battles carefully.
this kind of sounds like something you should just do & get out of the way as quickly as possible. any other respectable client would've already agreed with you.
- e-wo0
- Oh. You're right, it's uglier than a jar of pickled arseholes. Still, see below.Continuity
- HEY! I made that =(zarkonite
- holy shit factoryhargbine
- Continuity0
Hold your nose, and take the money, then, if the work has been agreed and started.
We all work with ugly shit — probably more often than with cool shit — and it didn't kill any careers.
(Especially if it gets strategically not included in our books.)
- Miguex0
I have a solution for this, you will need:
a pencil:
a piece of paper:
Solution:
Write down the amount of money you will charge your client to design his site if he had a beautiful logo.Now, flip the paper and write down the number you would charge the client to design their site with a nasty looking logo like this one for example:
Think about what you are going to write, this project when finished you will not be able to show to anyone, ever. Make that number be something that will make you ignore the fact that that logo is there, do you have that number? ok!
If you completed this tutorial correctly, the ugly logo number should be at least double the pretty logo number.
That's right, eat your standards and principles, do the job, take the money and never tell anyone about this ever again.
If the client says you are too expensive then no worries because you didn't want to do the job anyways, but if they pay my friend.. they will be paying for you putting up with their shitty ass logo
- This is majestice-wo
- i like youdoesnotexist
- +1Continuity
- This. But I would be tempted to use a HB instead of 8Bgoldieboy
- fuck man! you're a borne-comedian!! this is brilliant!!dparra
- exactlypanacea
- This is sound logic.jtb26
- hahaha, I was trying to be funny, but I was also serious :)Miguex
- Miesfan0
The same person who chose the logo will judge your design?
So you're screwed.
- jon_d0
thats truly bad
- toodee0
I guess you're doing it because you need the money. That's not so unusual, not many people can afford to pick and choose clients.
You could try and go down the evolution rather than revolution route. Would they go for a redraw of the existing logo using less offensive type? Or take the atom part out and just use the type as online identity (say it takes up too much space above the fold or something).
- SteveZissou0
If you can't convince them (diplomatically), just get the job done as quick and loose as possible (keeping your hourly rate healthy), then use the money for something fun...bread and butter work dude, we all have to do it at some point.
- wordssssss0
Seriously get off your high horse and deal with it.
If a bad logo breaks your "design" I'd have to say it's probably not the logo.- and very unprofessional to show the logo here.wordssssss
- I agree with your first point, the second makes you sound like an asshole.tOki
- I agree with your second point.wordssssss
- monNom0
It can be expensive to change out a logo.
- sublocked0
hahahaha that logo sucks...wow