Help Canada not get screwed by our ISPs
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- scrap_paper0
This is all a big money game from the larger ISP's (Rogers, Bel). They just want to squeeze more money out of the consumer and force us to use their media delivery methods.
Overall it costs them NOTHING more to offer no caps and faster internet speeds but they see a financial model that allows them to take advantage.
The CTRC are a bunch of bought and paid for idiots.
- betelgeuse0
"Also, for those who find this amusing, countries and ISPs world wide, including the U.S. are watching to see how this plays out to see if they can implement similar policy."
Except I doubt the U.S. government will provide any support or help to it's consumers. Where as the Harper government knows that letting this go through will make them look bad, and can't take heat like this right now.
- what is Harper planning to do? I take it this still isn't passedDodecahedron
- It could be done without gov intervention if all he major players agree to it and not undermine one another. Colusion.ETM
- Colusion...ETM
- ETM0
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I am of two minds on this. Where it's true, it's only true on your overage amount. You still have to get through your 60 to 170 gb cap (depending on plan) first, then you get the $2/gb rape.If you have the 25gb <5mb plans then get off the Internet anyway granny.
On the plus side, it's till cheaper than smartphone data. Those are premium, imported bytes.
- nb0
"The CRTC does not regulate rates, quality of service issues or business practices of Internet service providers as they relate to retail customers. This is because there is enough competition in the market that retail customers can shop around for service packages."
- From the CRTC web site. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_s…The CRTC is always getting involved in areas they aren't supposed to be. Currently we've got a right-wing govt, which you'd think would be trying to shut down the CRTC, but instead they bow down to big business. I wish conservatives would act like conservatives.
- That is acting conservative...bowin... to big business. Where have you been?:)abettertomorrow
- abettertomorrow0
Unfortunately signing petitions is one of the least effective ways to get peoples attention. Better would be to call or e-mail your Congressional representative directly.
Barring that, I suggest people get out on the streets and protest like the Egyptians.
- actually it has worked quite well for openmedia.ca... got a response from our PM in less than a weekhorton
- nb0
^ Read a little further on the site and you'll see the following:
"The CRTC regulates rates and quality of service issues for wholesale services. The CRTC regulates the relationship between these resellers and the cable and telephone companies who own the infrastructure needed to provide Internet access, in order to ensure that Canadians have access to a range of Internet providers."
So, to summarize: "The CRTC does not set prices for consumers. The CRTC sets the price for wholesalers."
What competition is there when all the resellers are forced to pay the same price? If you're setting the price for wholesale, you're essentially setting the price for consumers, and the CRTC knows it. These guys aren't morons.
- ETM0
@nb
See that's the confusing part. From what I am reading, the CRTC is only ruling in regards to second tier ISPs having to pay more to the primary ISPs. So if I am a little ISP and I buy from Shaw or Bell and resell, I have to pay more back to Shaw or Bell. Basically at only 15% less than consumer rate, so there is not a lot of margin.
I am seeing little language involving consumers directly. It seems like the big ISPs are using it as an excuse to lower caps on their customers when really the CRTC said nothing of the sort.
- Right. The CRTC is ruling out competition by forcing small companies to pay large ones outrageous fees. >nb
- http://www.theglobea…nb
- I know. But that shouldn't affect me as a direct Shaw customer. And it is.ETM
- betelgeuse0
I predict that file sharing will go offline.
As the price of storage goes down, it will be really easy to buy a huge drive, fill it up with movies and music and share it with friends. They make copies, ect, ect.
- Sure let's revive 3.5" floppies with shareware programs on the rack at the grocery store too.ETM
- http://www.qbn.com/t…horton
- Doom Episode 1 any one? Maybe some clipart?ETM
- ETM what are you talking about?betelgeuse
- Are you not old enough to remember the days of everything on physical media?ETM
- yes i am.... and that's not what I'm describing...betelgeuse
- ETM0
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Cassette tapes did the same thing. Then we moved on.- that's not even close to what I'm talking aboutbetelgeuse
- Carting around a physical media device with your files to copy. What ARE you describing then?ETM
- the ability to put all the movies and music you've ever listened too one tiny disc.betelgeuse
- although it's a "physical" disc (like everything else right now) it would be very easy to dobetelgeuse
- incredibly cheap and there wouldn't be any downloadingbetelgeuse
- decisionman0
Looks like we won.
- Naygon0
Then there is this
http://www.canadiandownload.com/…
- horton0
Ottawa to quash CRTC decision killing unlimited Internet
http://www.montrealgazette.com/b…
- ETM0
The only thing that saved us was the timing of an upcoming election. If that wasn't the case, Harper would't have given a crap.
- Minority governments have their advantages. Scared PM's.betelgeuse
- kills me reading all teh Harper praise... are people really that stupid?horton
- What praise? We're saying he did it to win votes, not for greater good.ETM
- relax. elsewhere. openmedia.ca's facebook is full of harper fap.horton
- georgesIII0
nothing worst then angry canadians,
the world is breathing again
- Dodecahedron0
Do you think they proposed this knowing it would be stopped by the Conservative government subsequently making them look better and possibly gaining a few additional votes so they'll stay?
- CRTC play badguy for the Corporate Conservatives to get a few votes?Dodecahedron