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- DrBombay0
When you have citizens showing up to political rallies with AR15's strapped to their backs what do you expect to happen next?
Amazing how the right are trying to distance themselves from this shit.
- How else are you going to keep the King of England out of your face?WrappedInBooks
- fooler0
I hate Sarah Palin just as much as the next leftist liberal and definitely think her political rhetoric is way over the line.
To blame this tragedy on an info-graphic with cross hairs on her district and not the lunatic with a gun is just crazy.
Guns kill people not lazy graphic designers.
In-fact I was watching the national news last night and they brought this up then cut to a commercial. The freaking commercial was for some dandruff shampoo that had an attractive white woman washing her hair with exact same cross hairs pointing to her trouble areas on her scalp. She even had a cross hair on her temple.
I wonder if anyone else saw this, I've been searching youtube for the clip but can't remember the name brand.- the graphic is just one way of planting a message74LEO
- i blame obama, becuase he made GOP try the woman card. If it wasn't for him palin woudln't be there having people do bad graphics. ridic enough?.deathboy
- peopel make bad graphics for to support their marketing campiang, which is not abotu killign peopel but rilign up voters..deathboy
- 74LEO0
The FBI has now taken over custody of Loughner and the case. This is the same FBI that has been lawlessly raiding the anti-war movement and persecuting solidarity activists.
The FBI stood passively by when armed vigilantes calling themselves the Minuteman Project formed what amounted to a fascist militia along the Arizona-Mexico border and openly hunted down undocumented workers. The capitalist state was totally complicit in this crass violation of bourgeois legality. And on Jan. 6, a member of the Border Patrol fatally shot an unarmed Mexican youth, 17-year-old Ramsés Barrón Torres.
- jaylarson0
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- 74LEO0
Thanks to the I.A.C
He wasn't crazy!!! Just another mind fucked youth by the political atmosphere of Arizona.
Shooter was encouraged to commit this actThe militarization of the border and the actions of the racist Minutemen are just two examples of the climate that led to the Jan. 8 massacre. This was not the action of a "mentally unstable" youth "acting alone." It was the action of someone who has been given the signal that these kinds of violent and deadly attacks are needed. It was the action of someone who was encouraged to act as he did.
For example, Giffords retained her seat last November by a narrow margin in a campaign against Tea Party candidate Jesse Kelly. Fundraisers were held by Kelly where he urged supporters to help remove Giffords from office by joining him to shoot a fully-loaded M-16 rifle. He was pictured on his website in military gear holding his automatic weapon and promoting the event.
Giffords was among the candidates that Sarah Palin targeted for removal in the last election. Palin depicted these targets on her website by placing the crosshairs of a gun sight over the congressional district of the “target.”
A town-hall meeting on health care that Giffords hosted in the spring of 2010 was disrupted by Tea Party bigots, one of whom dropped a weapon out of his pants. The night after the health-care vote in Congress, Gifford’s office was vandalized by kicking or shooting out a glass door and window.
Arizona Congressperson Raul Grijalva received death threats after he called for a boycott of Arizona in response to the passage of SB1070. His office also had windows shot out during the fall election campaign.
At about the same time on Jan. 8 as the shooting, the Cesar Chavez building at the University of Arizona was vandalized. This building is home to the university’s Mexican-American Studies program.
- GeorgesII0
btw: whats wrong with the Lees
-Jared Lee Loughner
Johnny Lee Wicks
John Lee Malvo
Lee Harvey Oswald- Republicanized74LEO
- what's wrong with the hillbilliesrandommail
- Greedo0
2 years of obama and a year of running for office and all you got is 9 quotes alluding to fighting? wow, what a fucking brutal animal obama is.
i bet you could easily come up with 50 gun quotes alone for the last three months of palin...- sure you can.VikingKingEleven
- Here is an obama supporter
http://www.breitbart…VikingKingEleven - 4 more
http://www.youtube.c…VikingKingEleven - What about all those pakistani's he has killed threw the drone attacks? You don't care about thatVikingKingEleven
- You only cared about it when Bush did it. How many press conferences did obama give in 2 years? 10?VikingKingEleven
- http://funnydemotiva…abettertomorrow
- VikingKingEleven0
** Obama: “They Bring a Knife...We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks... so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
- HijoDMaite0
This came out today on the WSJ. It's what I was talking about in my earlier post.
"Those who purport to care about the tenor of political discourse don't help civil debate when they seize on any pretext to call their political opponents accomplices to murder."
- abettertomorrow0
And this guy Miller is considered part of the something called the "Sovereign Citizens Movement," which is a group of right-wing types obsessed with overthrowing the current Federal Government and returning to the Gold Standard and some idea they have of earlier limited government
- Sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?abettertomorrow
- wow those are extreme views. Money backed by gold? Smaller govt to weed out corruption! Boy those are dangerous!VikingKingEleven
- ABT you can't even think for yourself. Hilarious. Love ya man.VikingKingEleven
- PS. Do you even know what FIAT currency is? Seriously?VikingKingEleven
- And yet it gets mixed in with violent rhetoric and actions. See: McVeigh, Timothy.abettertomorrow
- abettertomorrow0
Jared Lee Loughner’s rants about grammar and mind control track closely to the writings of a conspiracy theorist who believes that is how the government controls the populace, one leading group says – and the man tells POLITICO he agrees with some of Loughner’s statements.
The far-right activist, David Wynn Miller, said in a telephone interview that he didn’t know Loughner, but agreed with his statement in a YouTube video that “the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”
“Absolutely I would agree with it,” said Miller, 62, a former tool-and-die maker from Milwaukee who claims 1 billion “students” worldwide.
But he said any suggestion that his writings influenced Loughner to go on a shooting rampage is “ridiculous.”
“I have nothing to do with anything like that,” Miller said, suggesting that Loughner might have been under the influence of government mind control.
Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, first mentioned Miller during an appearance Saturday on MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann.”
“The idea weirdly enough of controlling grammar, of somehow the government using grammar to control the people is an idea that exists on the radical right. There’s a particular person, a man named David Wynn Miller who has plugged this idea for years,” Potok said.
Miller “claims to have invented truth language,” Potok said in an interview with POLITICO. “His idea is that if you only use the correct grammar and punctuation, you can throw off the shackles of the tyrannical government.”
Potok said Loughner appeared “practically illiterate and quite mentally ill,” but his statements and the books he has cited suggest a “pretty strong anti-government, conspiracy-oriented threat.”
- abettertomorrow0
I think the more relevant part is not that he read Peter Pan and The Wizard of Oz, but this:
"The motives of Loughner — an English grammar-obsessed Army reject — remain murky, but in the weeks before his apparent outburst, he took to the Web to rail against brainwashing by government officials and “mind-control methods.”
A MySpace page, believed to be Loughner’s, was taken down by law enforcement officials minutes after the suspect was named. It included a “Goodbye friends,” sign-off, with the message, “Please don’t be mad at me.”
A series of rambling and jarring videos posted on his personal Web site under the handle “Classitup10,” paint the portrait of a searching conspiracy theorist fixated on the American flag, perversion of the Constitution and “illiterate” people living in Arizona’s 8th District, which Giffords represents.
A seven-minute video, “America; Your Last Memory is a Terrorist” filmed in a desert mesa, that features a robed figure wearing what a skeleton mask — perhaps Loughner — who approaches a tattered American flag, jammed between rocks.
A bubble pops up on the screen – “Notice I have only my right arm” – against the pounding song, “Let the Bodies Hit the Floor” by the punk band Drowning Pool.
“The majority of the citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America’s Constitution. You don’t have to accept the federalists’ laws,” says a video entitled “introduction,” posted on Dec. 15.
In the Dec. 15 video, Loughner writes: “The government is [applying] implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar,” and urges viewers to “read the United States of America’s Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.”
- GeorgesII0
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“Schools: I attended school: Thornydale elementary, Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View Highschool, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College.
Interests: My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar.
Conscience dreams were a great study in college!
Movies:(*My idiom: I could coin the moment!*)
Music:Pass me the strings!
Books: I had favorite books:
Animal Farm, Brave New World,
The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables,
The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland,
Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan,
To Kill A Mockingbird,
We The Living,
Phantom Toll Booth,
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest,
Pulp,
Through The Looking Glass,
The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha,
The Old Man And The Sea,
Gulliver’s Travels,
Mein Kampf,
The Republic, and Meno.”
- abettertomorrow0
When the Muslim attacker killed all those people at Fort Hord, did anyone say Al Queda and other terrorist groups weren't blame? Or the suicide bomber in Sweden?
In all three cases you had people who were already mentally troubled to say the least, but it was rhetoric from outside forces that pushed them to act in the way they did.
Not that the Tea Party or American media like Fox are in any way as bad as Al Queda. But they do paint a picture of a government that is illegally out of control, trying to kill off its citizens with death panels or FEMA death camps, and other crazy shit that is divorced from reality. Tea Party has made several comments indicating that violence or violent revolution is justified. And constantly idolizing guns and using violent imagery for shits and giggles like Palin.
So when you have 20% of the country listening to and buying crap like that, and then one of them snaps and shoots a Congresswoman point blank through the head, is there a connection?
- ETM0
What the hell weapon was he using that he did that much damage before being stopped?? One story on CNN said he was wrestled to the ground within seconds, but he was already trying to reload.
- He had a legally purchased Glock, with extended magazines that help 30 rounds each. The 2nd mag failed.ghandolf
- monkeyshine0
Ridiculousness aside, more grab your crotch and guns talk:
- monkeyshine0
Arizona tea party candidate: