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- HijoDMaite0
This conversation shouldn't be about the Tea Party. This is a tragic event from an obviously disturbed and mentally ill individual. His political leanings almost don't matter. He was 20 years old, he's a fuckin kid!
I have a lot of family who are members of the Tea Party. Very intelligent, well educated family whom I love very much and respect their opinions. On the other hand, I have an equal amount of family who is very liberal and votes mostly Democrat and of course very successful, educated and full of common sense. This is the way it has always been, we get along at family gatherings always have, we love and respect each other and can have civil discussions. I certainly don't think it's a good idea to connect a political movement to this kid's fucked up sense of reality. Too young to naive.Having said all that, I hope Sarah Palin learns a lesson in her choice of graphics for her website. We all get it that it's a joke about the cross hairs, and that she's suppose to portray this 'mama bear' 'hockey mom' persona but it's a bit disturbing coming from a mother and grandmother who is suppose to be pro life and born again Christian. She consistently, does and says things to embarrass herself and according to my Conservative side of the family would make a terrible candidate.
- we all don't think the cross hairs are a joke. speak for yourself, homie.BonSeff
- fuck all gun wackos, including Pallin FFSernexbcn
- also, its dishonest to play the mental illness card and dismiss the rhetoric that pushed him to this decisionBonSeff
- well lucky for us he wasn't killed and maybe we'll learn a little more about that.HijoDMaite
- sounds like he was just anti govt. in general, but I'm sure we will learn all the details about his motivation.HijoDMaite
- ghandolf0
A little about the other victims in the shooting.
U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was believed to be the main target when a gunman went on a shooting spree that left six dead and at least 13 injured Saturday. Here is a look at some of the victims as they become identified.
Giffords, 40, was first elected to the Arizona House in 2000 and the state Senate in 2002. The Tucson native was elected to the U.S. House in 2006. She married Cmdr. Mark E. Kelly, a NASA astronaut and Navy pilot from New Jersey, in 2007.
U.S. District Judge John M. Roll
Named Arizona's chief federal judge in 2006, Roll won wide acclaim for a career as a respected jurist and as a leader who had pushed to beef up the court's strained bench to handle a growing number of border crime-related cases."I have never met a more sincere ... fair-minded, brilliant federal judge or any judge for that matter in my whole life," Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said.
Roll, 63, was heading home after a trip to church and the store before stopping to visit briefly with Giffords at an event she was holding for constituents at a northwest-side Tucson Safeway.
Roll was a Pennsylvania native who got his law degree from the University of Virginia. He is survived by his wife, Maureen, three sons, and five grandchildren. Roll was appointed to the federal bench in 1991 by President George H.W. Bush. Roll previously served as a state trial judge and as a judge on the midlevel Arizona Court of appeals. He previously worked as a county and state prosecutor.
"Judge Roll was a widely respected jurist, a strong and able leader of his court, and a kind, courteous and sincere gentleman," said Chief Judge Alex Kozinski of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, the federal circuit that includes Arizona. "He worked tirelessly to improve the delivery of justice to the people of Arizona."Roll, a Pennsylvania native, received death threats in 2009 over a $32 million civil-rights suit filed against an Arizona rancher by illegal immigrants.
At the time, Roll and U.S. Marshal's officials attributed the threats to hysteria from talk radio.
Christina-Taylor Green
The 9-year-old who was shot at the event and later died at a hospital went to the Giffords event with a neighbor because she had just been elected to the student council and was interested in government, her uncle told KTAR in Phoenix.The neighbor, who was not identified Saturday, was shot four times,.
Born Sept. 11, 2001, according to NBC station KVOA, Christina-Taylor attended Mesa Verde Elementary School. She was one of 50 babies featured in " Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11."
Christina was also involved in ballet, Little League baseball and her church. Her grandfather, former major-league pitcher Dallas Green, was the Philadelphia Phillies' team manager when they won the World Series in 1980.She recently received her first Holy Communion at St. Odilia’s Catholic Church on Tucson’s northwest wide, Catholic Diocese of Tucson officials said.
Gabe Zimmerman
Giffords' 30-year-old communications outreach director was engaged to be married, the Arizona Republic reported. He had worked for Giffords in her Tucson district since 2007.“We serve who walks into our office and we don’t even ask what party they belong to,” Zimmerman told the Tucson Citizen in 2007.
Dorwin Stoddard
The 76-year-old retiree was described as a jack of all trades by Mike Nowak, the couple’s minister at Mountain Ave. Church of Christ, told the Arizona Daily Star. Stoddard's wife, Mavanell, was shot in the leg but is expected to recover, the Star reported.Stoddard, who performed maintenance work at the church, and his wife spent summers traveling, friends told the Star. The couple visited all 50 states and 28 foreign countries, they said.
Other victims
Police said Dorthy Morris, 76, and Phyllis Schneck, 79, were also killed in the shooting.Also injured but expected to be all right, said C.J. Karamargin, Giffords' communications director, are staffer Pam Simon and deputy director Ron Barber.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4098…
- detritus0
Unsettling how many Western pundits hope and rely upon China's ascent stumbling under its own internal pressures, with the distinct impression that competing social forces will rip it apart before it reaches parity.
I can't help but wonder whether it might be America that implodes first. So much hate over there. So much discord between political wings which are, in historical terms, not really that polar-opposite.
An interesting century ahead.
- ..not talking about the shooter — more the instant spilling of bitter vitriol every time there's news of note.detritus
- so truerandommail
- You'd have to watch/listen to the right wing media (cable news and radio) here to understand.abettertomorrow
- Its not a 50-50 split, just like 15-20% that have developed these extreme views thanks to the media spoonfeeding themabettertomorrow
- Actually, with the Murdoch takeover of Sky in the UK, you may understand soon enough:)abettertomorrow
- Sky has always been a Murdoch vehicle, current buy is just a question of the last few percent ownership.detritus
- Life's problems are rarely the fault of the 50/50 majority - it's the 20/80 splits that fan the flames of nastier issues.detritus
- monkeyshine0
Oh yeah, let's not hold anyone accountable except the deranged dude who shot Rep. Giffords...afterall, we do live in a vacuum, right? I don't get that argument.
- fadein110
I found it very surprising how slow CNN reported it on their website...
BBC sent me a news alert email about 2 hours before anything appeared on CNN website. Very strange.- Nothing strange. Just proves American news is shit.randommail
- Maybe they were just trying to nail down a few more facts given the nature of it.ETM
- yep truefadein11
- moth0
Save the anti-gun rhetoric.
I wish I could bury my head that deep.
- abettertomorrow0
Sheriff Dupnik said a total of nineteen people were shot, six of whom were killed. Loughner is in the custoday of the Pima County Sheriff's Department at the moment. Dupnik also referenced reports that a suspicious package had been identified at Giffords' Tucson office.
Sheriff Dupnik also made a passionate plea for cooler heads to prevail in political debate, decrying the vitriolic tone of some talk radio hosts.
"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the Capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry."
Dupnik later added that such "vitriol might be free speech, but it's not without consequences."
- utopian0
- Hi Freddie:)utopian
- Yes!! Thanks Utopian. Im busted lol. Can't stand your views, love the work though lolVikingKingEleven
- It's all good Fred:)utopian
- prophetone0
^ this is what matters here, not politics, or any other bullshit. People lost their lives for nothing. This girl had a future. Who gives a shit about tea baggers or sarah palin? Seriously... Wake up.
- Now that I can agree with. We need to quit dividing eachother, me included. We are in this together.VikingKingEleven
- Says the guy who posted fake Facebook pictureabettertomorrow
- ghandolf0
A sad note on the nine-year-old girl who was gunned down in Arizona on Saturday, Christina Taylor Green, from AZCentral.com:
A neighbor was going to the Giffords event and invited Christina along because she thought she would enjoy it, said her uncle, Greg Segalini. Christina had just been elected to the student council at her school.
- monkeyshine0
VikingKing...I don't know who shot this woman or his (or their) politics but if you can't recognize the inflammatory language around Sarah Palin and her rifle talk, as well as others, then you are dishonest.
- ...and a coward.monkeyshine
- Speech does not kill people, insane people kill people.VikingKingEleven
- See the problem is you want to SHUT PEOPLE UP you disagree with. I am simple repeating the facts of this caseVikingKingEleven
- You can't handle the facts so you start repeating what MSNBC has told you to repeat.VikingKingEleven
- A coward is someone who wants to SHUT DOWN SOMEONE they disagree with.VikingKingEleven
- I don't want to shut anyone down. I want people to be accountable for their behavior. Shocking!monkeyshine
- dbloc0
what a psycho.
- VikingKingEleven0
It is pretty sad when even a left winger can't accept that facts. I am not sure what that says about your mental stability. According to highschool and college students that new him...
Source with FACTS posted.
http://twitter.com/caitieparker
According to his youtube page...Well you get the point.
I think anyone trying to tie this to Sarah Palin, Beck or the Tea Party is delusional and a serious danger to society. And I am mean serious. When you can longer use FACTS to support your argument you have become delusional.
- dMullins0
I hate at least 50% of Americans.
- Just like the picture above, that's gotta be fake right?abettertomorrow
- I guess it's possible.dMullins
- apparently people were posting these comments on Palin's Page, for real.horton
- lowimpakt0
here is gifford talking about when her office got attacked after she voted for healthcare..
http://kateoplis.tumblr.com/post…
where she specifically refers to palins crosshairs
- Why are you ignoring the guy was a 'left winger?' Are you that delusional?VikingKingEleven
- I feel sorry for you.
http://twitter.com/c…VikingKingEleven - i'm ignoring nothing, you knoblowimpakt
- So a left winger RADICAL shoots this woman and you target Sarah Palin. That is delusional!VikingKingEleven
- i'm not targeting anything you hyper agressive freaklowimpakt
- lol, Viking, defender of Sarah Palin's honorabettertomorrow
- hahah @ "hyper aggressive freak".bogue
- hedge0
utopian is actually happy that this tragedy occurred, because in his mind it strengthens support for the democratic party.
Oh, the depraved and confused mind of a liberal.
- Once a troll, always a troll...
How are those asian women
treating you Hedge?utopian - http://www.qbn.com/t…utopian
- You are off to a wonderful start!utopian
- what a jackass. this type of inane hyperbole contributes to the problem.monkeyshine
- Once a troll, always a troll...
- utopian0
Inbred Teabaggers Unite®
- fiver0
watching the local news coverage on..... KGUN.
niiiiiiiiiice.