wtf is this?

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  • dbloc0

    How much for just the arrows?

  • ETM0

    Separating pros from hobbiests, that's what education, experience and talent does. Like any profession. There is always the bottom feeding clients who want things cheap, they will always want that and there will always be bottom feeding people to provide the services. That's just life.

    The writing is on the wall with our industry that it's becoming a commodity. Small business doesn't often care about original design, they just need 'design'. Templates, crowd sourcing, square space style sites. Great design is a need we tell small business they must have. Its something many never had 20 years ago. We created a need, then over saturated it, thought ourselves too self important, some designers raped clients with billings and now there is a fatigue and wariness.

    Also, people's thinking is becoming less about individual ownership of something they pay for and more about something cheap and readily available.... music, tv, movies etc. $.99 games and shows on iTunes for example. This includes design on some levels.

    The future money is in delivery systems for content, not always making content. By content I mean everything, templates, logos, movies, games, websites etc.

    • It sucks, but it's true. We need to adapt rather than kick and scream like old media is doing now.ETM
  • brodyR0

    The hole in these arguments is the level to which ‘good enough’-syndrome has infected most (especially small) businesses. When good enough is the benchmark, buying the receptionist Publisher beats hiring a designer. In some sectors the bar is so low, ‘better than nothing’ is actually still (almost) true.

    The no-certification camp seems to unanimously say “those arent our clients, they get what they pay for”—and I agree with that: Self-regulate: you dont get stuck doing shitty work for cheapskates that want custom work at clip art prices if you dont take those jobs in the first place. No matter how good one’s work is, or how cheap you make yourself, its pretty hard to compete with free, so dont.
    I personally am all for anything that would help separate the qualified pros from the amateur/hobbyist.

  • brodyR0

    @ETM
    I would go as far as saying they should be regulated, I do like the thought of certifications if they can be done right. deadbeats who dive in to web design who have no clue what they are doing are giving web design industry a bad name. You dont see this with architects.

    • Every industry and profession has deadbeats. You deal with it.ETM
    • And there are terrible architects. Look around your town or city. Everything A+ designed?ETM
  • ETM0

    So a doctor can harm or kill you through malpractice, a lawyer can misrepresent you to the point of you being jailed etc, an architect could design an unsafe structure that could cause bodily harm or death should it fail.

    So what are the grave affects or ramifications to not performing your duties as a designer?

  • brodyR0

    yes i do.

  • oddslob0

    They darn tootin' should be. Am i RIGHT people?!?!

  • ETM0

    Are you serious? You really think a web designer is anywhere on the same level of education, public and personal safety, ethics or morality of the professions you list. FFS

    • Hairdressers have to be licensed around here. So do plumbers and electricians.boobs
    • Again, there are much graver ramifications to a unqualified plumber and electrician.ETM
  • brodyR


    http://boxedweb.biz/

    What do you think? Would it help or hurt the profession to have web designers licensed and under scrutiny or regulations in the same way doctors, lawyers and architects are?