wtf is this?
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- brodyR
What do you think? Would it help or hurt the profession to have web designers licensed and under scrutiny or regulations in the same way doctors, lawyers and architects are?
- ETM0
Are you serious? You really think a web designer is anywhere on the same level of education, public and personal safety, ethics or morality of the professions you list. FFS
- oddslob0
They darn tootin' should be. Am i RIGHT people?!?!
- brodyR0
yes i do.
- ETM0
So a doctor can harm or kill you through malpractice, a lawyer can misrepresent you to the point of you being jailed etc, an architect could design an unsafe structure that could cause bodily harm or death should it fail.
So what are the grave affects or ramifications to not performing your duties as a designer?
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http://boxedweb.biz/…Sep - Who cares? Shit like this is as old as websites themselves.ETM
- ZIIIIIIIING SEP!Hombre_Lobo_2
- do I need 3D glasses to watch that clip?fooler2
- This website:
- brodyR0
@ETM
I would go as far as saying they should be regulated, I do like the thought of certifications if they can be done right. deadbeats who dive in to web design who have no clue what they are doing are giving web design industry a bad name. You dont see this with architects.
- brodyR0
The hole in these arguments is the level to which ‘good enough’-syndrome has infected most (especially small) businesses. When good enough is the benchmark, buying the receptionist Publisher beats hiring a designer. In some sectors the bar is so low, ‘better than nothing’ is actually still (almost) true.
The no-certification camp seems to unanimously say “those arent our clients, they get what they pay for”—and I agree with that: Self-regulate: you dont get stuck doing shitty work for cheapskates that want custom work at clip art prices if you dont take those jobs in the first place. No matter how good one’s work is, or how cheap you make yourself, its pretty hard to compete with free, so dont.
I personally am all for anything that would help separate the qualified pros from the amateur/hobbyist.
- ETM0
Separating pros from hobbiests, that's what education, experience and talent does. Like any profession. There is always the bottom feeding clients who want things cheap, they will always want that and there will always be bottom feeding people to provide the services. That's just life.
The writing is on the wall with our industry that it's becoming a commodity. Small business doesn't often care about original design, they just need 'design'. Templates, crowd sourcing, square space style sites. Great design is a need we tell small business they must have. Its something many never had 20 years ago. We created a need, then over saturated it, thought ourselves too self important, some designers raped clients with billings and now there is a fatigue and wariness.
Also, people's thinking is becoming less about individual ownership of something they pay for and more about something cheap and readily available.... music, tv, movies etc. $.99 games and shows on iTunes for example. This includes design on some levels.
The future money is in delivery systems for content, not always making content. By content I mean everything, templates, logos, movies, games, websites etc.
- It sucks, but it's true. We need to adapt rather than kick and scream like old media is doing now.ETM
- ksv1230
his bugged eyes scared me into going.
- Mr_Right0
Gill Sans ?
- Miesfan0
seems you don't get good kerning...
- epilI0
to define any creative stance with-in a cookie cutter shape would hurt your industry more than help it.. it would mean to cut all your efforts of creativity to nothing but what is "regulated" by people whim most likely would not be creatives, thus leaving you in a worse position to make any newness happen.
but if that is what you want then go for it. implement those sorts of boundaries on your creativity and your processes to fit inside that cookie cutter shape someone outside of all things you do would regulate.
good luck with that one..
- Lets also not forget the fees on us that come from such regulatory bodies.ETM
- Mr_Right0
"The future money is in delivery systems for content, not always making content. By content I mean everything, templates, logos, movies, games, websites etc."
This is right in line with what I've been thinking this past year. I know the way I have been working in the past 10 years is gone forever, and I'm trying to figure out how to make a living (survive) for the next 10 years. Time to step up and put my plan into action.
- do you need a website for your plan ?mikotondria3
- haha, in the same boat as me eh?
Mr_Right - Lets start a think tank and get funding.ETM
- herzo0
This >I personally am all for anything that would help separate the qualified pros from the amateur/hobbyist.
- isnt that what your college degree is for? to separate those who are great vs not?epilI
- I find that the college degree is a touchy subject for the people without it,.plash_two
- then isnt that what your portfolio is for? to help bridge that gap of degree vs. none?epilI
- it should be. yes. i just know i have gotten in to many heated arguments about the formal education.plash_two
- As far as I am concerned Talent (1) then education/experience (2) separates good from bad.ETM
- plash_two0
I find that working with larger established clients separate the pros from the amateurs. knowing how to write proposals, rfqs'/rfps' and basically knowing how to sell your services.
it doesn't bother me when i see or hear about designer horror stories. every industry has its share of hacks. i pride myself in knowing i am not one of them, but really in the end any medium to large company will not trust their projects to someone who can't formally show proper project details/specs and builds.
and i also agree with ETM. "The future money IS in delivery systems for content," yet i still think content is king, anyone who figures out this delivery puzzle will be making a lot of money. all the large media providers are doing just that, finding their delivery nitch. a good example of this is Valve (game developers) with the Steam Client, also google tv and hulu ..(off the top of my head) ..
- "Content is King". True, but dynamics are changing when content is created by many rather than few.ETM
- Sep0
There are to many shitty bands in the world. How about giving the really good ones a certificate and ban all the others?
'cause really... All these people listening to bad music makes me sick...
- Shoe0130
How does offering something like boxedweb.biz imply that those designers are less qualified then other people? Certification or not the concept is genius. This simply caters to small business owners who cannot afford designers who charge 4 times that amount.
In other words I do not see how this workshop automatically throws them into the "amateur" or "hobbiest" group. This is just a solid marketing strategy to create a win for the user and a win for the designers.
- mikotondria30
This is about the sales process, not the product; his market is those people who have a few 100 dollars but can't be upsold something half-decent for three times that, plus an on-going, plus, plus..
If he gets to your prospects before you do, it shouldn't take much to nail a contract..