Call to Developers / Designers / Multidisciplinary Artists
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- ********0
- bjladams0
i might be processing this wrong... but it reads:
lots of work - no pay - lots of work - perhaps pay one day, perhaps not
- Futureprism0
NOENIS, no need to apologize for calling out the "extreme errors" in my logic. I can completely understand why people across this forum such as yourself might lash out aggressively at the idea of project with relatively little compensation from the onset, and I can sympathize with your doubt. The notion absolutely flys in the face of common business sense, raises a few cliche red flags, and just generally makes people very defensive, skeptical, and weak in the knees.
This is the reason why I prefaced the post as I did--I'm looking for individuals that are willing--and can afford--to take a risk: people who are at a point in their life where they are ready to put it all out on the line if they decide after careful consideration that this may be a project that carries long term potential.
If you're not personally willing to commit to such a leap of faith, I can unequivocally respect that. You have great work, and I'm sure you'll have no troubles finding a steady stream of income along side all sorts of avenues for you to personally leave your mark on the design community.
As a side note, there are no sole or favored beneficiaries here. There isn't a single person that stands to get rich from the labors of others, the process is entirely transparent operates on fostering collaboration with all involved. What I'm forming is a collective of people who are willing to get their hands equally dirty, and collaborate towards a common goal to realize something awesome from the ground up.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with startups, but this is a pretty common practice. The value proposition of a startup hovers almost exclusively over future business development in every single instance. Some startups are graced with generous VC, others are forged from absolutely nothing. There's a reason why YCombinator only gives out 10-20k in startup cash per investment / funded team.
The truth of the matter is that the ideas that we are working on don't require an enormous amount of funding to get off the ground. We need people. There is no limit to the amount that a solid team of dedicated individuals can accomplish in a highly collaborative environment.
I'm sorry that you feel as if you need to make baseless assumptions and directly accuse me of not giving a shit about the people I work with. Those I do work with would be quick to tell you the opposite (and I welcome you to contact them), but in all fairness I can see why you would step forward so harshly.
Furthermore, the project is in no way ambiguous. If anyone would like to hear more information, you can contact me at my provided email and I will be happy to fill you in on the specifics regarding scope / direction / or anything else you may want to know.
- Paul Graham would suggest that you start with a very small team; a large team dilutes talent.********
- Definitely, Paul knows his shit. The core team will be small, but there are many auxiliary roles that can be filled by those who don't have a lot of time to commit.Futureprism
- It's NONEIS.NONEIS
- Got it, apologies for the misspelling.Futureprism
- also, I'd like to contact the people you work with, since you offered...NONEIS
- Paul Graham would suggest that you start with a very small team; a large team dilutes talent.
- ********0
"Jessica Doll - San Francisco, CA / Steve Doll (Possible contributer)
Contributer, Photographer
http://www.dollstudios.com"…Well fuck me, you've certainly got the "Baby Photography" portion of your business strategy covered!
- I'll be sure to pass on your comments to Jess. She's a talented creative, designer, and a great friend with a lot to offer. I'm sure she'll appreciate your respect.Futureprism
- utopian0
It sounds like an ambitious and bold idea, but what exactly are you asking from the creative contributors to this new venture that you are creating?
• Financial investment?
• Pro-Bono work?
• ???
- Fax_Benson0
The fact remains that yours is an open call, on a public forum, to people you have no working realtionship with, to get involved with a project that has no means of paying them. If you've got a shit hot idea, maybe approaching backers/investors first, allowing you to hire the talent, might make people less sceptical.
- I never said I blamed anyone for being skeptical. Chill man. :)Futureprism
- Futureprism0
Utopian, no financial investment at all (unless you want to, I won't turn down funding). Possible pro-bono work and generally any way that anyone feels they can lend a helping hand after taking a look at the project specs. Everything is still very much in incubation right now, so I'm concentrating on getting a small discussion forum and mailing list up to get an open forum for ideas started. There are several ideas already in motion, and I can discuss specifics and business details in private if you have any interest.
- So the time of the people you seek is not a financial investment?NONEIS
- MSTRPLN0
Do you pay upfront?
- hotroddy0
You have to have a lot of time on your hands to write this fluff.
- SteveJobs0
Futureprism, I had similar aspirations about a year ago and voiced them here, but with a more open-ended approach.
http://www.qbn.com/topics/616095…
Granted, my proposed business plan was a bit different, as the goal wasn't so much to build an incorporated business, but instead to become independent of any such formalized structure and, as a team, enjoy the same benefits a single freelancer might, but with far more versatility.
Anyway, the point of me mentioning that is since your proposition is to join what seems to be more of a formal business structure, but with no immediate compensation, it seems like you'd want to position this as more of a joint venture, which would imply partial ownership to these inererested parties. However, even then one might wonder how secure, enterning into such a non-formal engagement, particularly one posted randomly to a message board, might be for them.
- Futureprism0
Jobs, the idea you proposed in your linked thread sounds promising to me. I think there are many creatives out there looking for a way to operate independently from "formalized structure" but have relatively little business sense to get there successfully. I admire the fact that you've pushed towards that ideal, and on an unrelated note if you don't mind me asking, has it worked out for you?
What I'm talking about here really isn't for someone to suddenly just man up and start slaving for me based upon a random forum post. I am just providing an avenue for people to get more information, make some connections with other creatives, and learn about several ideas that they can then decide/decide not to participate in. That's it.
Anyway, I'd prefer to just let this fade away into noise now so I can work on realizing a lot of this. We've got a pretty solid team in place at the moment so I'd like to focus on running with this.
- But what the...how do you figure you'll pay individuals in the end?doublespaced
- doublespaced0
You make involvement sound extremely...well, extreme. With words like "dedicate" and phrases like "pay the price" it sounds like you're expecting some sort of sacrifice. I think I saw the words "online team" in your manifesto-esque call-to-action, so I assume you're not expecting us to work on a compound in the forest. Does this mean you're going to expect a certain number of hours from your "employees," for individuals to drop everything, just to work for you remotely? Yeah, I know you want us to email you for the specifics, but since you're already dedicated to this thread, spill the beans here and now.
- oddslob0
Word up if you're going to jump the gun and post my name and contact info in this thread simply because I asked for more info, I don't see why you get to have all the secrecy to yourself. I never said announce my name from the rooftops as a supporter, I said I was interested to hear what you had to say because let's face it, all you've said so far is that you have an idea & you're expecting people to buy in based on that alone...
- bjladams0
^^
i think this is all the info i needed. thanks.
btw, nice comics oddslob.
- ukit0
Too much to read in this thread. Can someone provide an executive summary please.
- ********0
I reckon Futureprism is Hedge.
- armsbottomer0
@ukit - basically, Futureprism has never heard of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ven….... he's also Hedge.
- doublespaced0
@armsbottomer
Well, I'm sure he's heard of it. Alas, he doesn't see any need for it gathered from this statement, "I'm not sure how familiar you are with startups, but this is a pretty common practice ... Some startups are graced with generous VC, others are forged from absolutely nothing ... The truth of the matter is that the ideas that we are working on don't require an enormous amount of funding to get off the ground. We need people."
- sdfsdfsdfhfghrt0
Kill this motherfucker.
- armsbottomer0
@doublespaced
i probably should have read his entire statement.nonetheless, people = money, and which can be gotten from VC, angel investors, not faith. he seems to b proposing some form of cult or religion, which if branded the right way (bats and spiders), he could easily get scarabin in on.
- Yes, people need paying .. a lot of the investment in a start-up will go on paying wages.********
- I agree, except for that bit about scarabindoublespaced
- Yes, people need paying .. a lot of the investment in a start-up will go on paying wages.