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- monospaced0
That's why they're designers and you're a website builder. Designers use InDesign because it's fast and they could care less about the guy generating code and making pixel art for the web. That's YOUR job.
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- yupdoesnotexist
- What!!!! I've never met a *good* designer that designs in InDesign..just interns and high schoolers.Bargels
- dude, most real designers use InDesign all day longmonospaced
- Mono you're blurring the line between web designers and developers.Naygon
- lol, I think they aremonospaced
- whistleblower0
There aren't even pixel measurement rulers in InDesign are there? WTF?
- use points. 1point = 1 pixelESKEMA
- thats not true.whistleblower
- i dont even know really, its not what i do.whistleblower
- i just assumed it was a print vs web thingwhistleblower
- ESKEMA0
sorry but I disagree. Indesign is not to be used like Illustrator for instance, which most people do. Using it right is key.
If I have to work with text in Photoshop I automatically start to bang my head against the wall.In ID, I can create paragraph, character and object styles that will mimic CSS, and make overall changes on the fly, use pages and align stuff that Photoshop simply can't.
I see the problem here as you don't know how to work with Indesign.- in Illustrator you can also make styles that will mimic CSS.. but you got a point. All the same noneofthelessSoulFly
- i_monk0
I am so sick of people other than the art director being the art director. Particularly on the client side. But particularly copywriters.
- adamm0
Hey, all I am asking for is for people to use the right tools. If you are a print designer, stick to print. If you are a web design stick to web. If you are a "designer" you know both sides of the medium so use the correct tools.
- <<< yesBargels
- go crawl in a box and codeinkpink
- lol @ inkpink
so FUCKING TRUEmonospaced
- FredMcWoozy0
lol
That because print designer just realized they waisted a ton of money learning a skill that is about to be extinct.
- d_rek0
Well... here's something to think about.
Indesign is a program that has been created to generate output for print-based documents. It has secondary functions to output files into screenspace but it does not always do so gracefully. More importantly, indesign does not in any way/shape/form account for pixel-based measurements. 1 pt != 1 px and so on.
Photoshop and Illustrator, however, do take pixels into consideration. Photoshop by nature is pixel-based software while illustrator can be made to output on a pixel-perfect level. By creating a pixel-to-pixel representation of your web designs you not only give a developer much stricter guidelines to follow you also give a client the benefit of a more accurate, if not absolute, representation of the design.
I think the most basic fact that anyone misses here is that indesign is not pixel-based software. Plain and simple.
Now, whether or not is is a good tool for webdesign could be opined. I am of the opinion that any web designer worth their salt wouldn't be using indesign to generate web designs - and vice versa for print.
- The designer (not the web designer) would use InDesign, though. The web guy rarely copies/pastes art anyway!monospaced
- NO designer should use InD except for long copy-based print documents. It's not a design program, it's a layout program.Bargels
- that's a seriously ignorant statement, Bargels. You must be new to this industry.monospaced
- MrNibs0
on a related note, anyone ever snap to a pixel grid to create something in illy and then bring it into photoshop just to have the edge blur on you. I though snappin' to the pixel would prevent an illy element from drawing between pixels. is this a funky CS4 flaw or am I doing wrong?
I'm doing it wrong aren't I?
- sherm0
uh, since when can a print design design a website? its not print.
a document that is static and just for you too read has different requirements (usability) that do not translate from print to web.
my 2 cents
- can't you send a website to your desktop printer? So doesn't that make it a print venue after all as well??
SoulFly - < said a fu.. photographer.akrok
- :-Dakrok
- to... (!too)sherm
- soulfly what the hell? hell no! it doesn't translate. unless u style it for print maybe...sherm
- oy and i'm a web developer by day :)sherm
- :-)akrok
- can't you send a website to your desktop printer? So doesn't that make it a print venue after all as well??
- ESKEMA0
and for the record, Indesign CS5 has now pixels as a measure
- SoulFly0
You can even use slices in Illustrator (not as good as the ones in Photoshop)
Also you can export layers into keyframes or keep layers for Flash. (this is a big wow)
Ultimately - you have the button bevels effect in Illustrator, how about that?
All InDesign's got to offer is active links for PDF docs.
- PIZZA0
fucking 300dpi screen designs
- akrok0
if your not happy, time to switch job.
- set0
'Of'.
- hellojeehae0
i know people designing logos in indesign. i never understood it.
- I don't understand that either.ESKEMA
- It's amateur. I had that given to me once---I refused to work unless they re-did it in Illy. I won. And it looked better.Bargels
- Really? A logo if done properly will look good regardless of programAkiraprise
- monospaced0
"uh, since when can a print design design a website? its not print."
What a stupid question/statement. I'm not a web "designer" and I'm fucking proud of it. I'm a designer and I make shit communicate well. I use InDesign for most everything and these days I design a shitload of web interfaces. We happen to have an amazing developer team that can make these into live sites. They don't bitch about InDesign because it's a perfectly good fucking tool for creating beautiful art.
Once again, they're designers and you build websites. Stick to your role.
- monospaced0
This just sounds like a lazy web coder/css monkey/pixel jockey to me.