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- toe_knee
I go to the trouble of making extensive style guides, outlining ever single space - to the pixel, supply every hex value, every font size and style. I spend a good portion of my time making these things to make your job easy. Please check these and make sure your front end build resembles what I design...Please don't send me back something that looks like it was made with kai's power goo FFS
/ranty pants
- PonyBoy0
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Developers develop php and serverside technology... wahhhh... developers aren't designers and really aren't responsible for anything 'front-end'... wahhhhhhh... even though we (the developer) told you we would cut the html and handle the css... wahhhhhh... but now I won't be held responsible... ...wah.
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- acescence0
oh, there are plenty of developers that understand these things, you just have bad ones
- SoulFly0
make your style guide less extensive. That's why they are ignoring it.
- PonyBoy0
^^that is no excuse
- heavyt0
cant argue with you @toe_knee. Sometimes a guy will deliver a PSD with 10px margins on one side and 9px on the other side, and, as a developer, I like to think they meant to make them even, and therefore fix that. But, if you deliver a styleguide that specifies all that, there is no excuse not to deliver. rant accepted.
- Ancillary0
blah blah blah what about my pretty designs blah blah blah
- vaxorcist0
well... as a somewhat burned out developer I'd say....
Designers crying over pixels while you're trying to fix the database carnage is like a truck driver complaining about a paint scratch while the you're fixing the engine that suddenly won't start....
Yes, it's got to look good, but it HAS TO ACTUALLY WORK FIRST...
and some pitch-oriented account types don't care if it works, they just want it to look pixel perfect for the powerpoint,... once the client sees that they think you're "99% done" .... uh huh....
- vaxorcist0
Honestly, I'd say that designers may want to completely outsource the PSD-to-HTML process to somebody who does it all day long, for a fixed rate per page... various services have been linked to here...
THEN you can have your PHP/ROR/ASPX/Whatever server side dudes work on it...
we should recognize that most server-side programmers are NOT into pixel slicing, yes, they can do it sometimes, but it's NOT their strong suit, and they often resent minor tweeks, largely for culture reasons.... and because it's seen as a waste of time, because they're not as effecient at CSS as they are at server side programming....
- This is a good point. If they start off as more of backend guys, they might not have an appreciation for front end finesseacrossthesea
- finesseacrossthesea
- acrossthesea0
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US…
This is a firefox/firebug extension that will overlay your comp over their version. Work with them to install it and they will clearly see where they are off. This makes it VERY visual. You need to learn how to manage your developers without them feeling managed. Don't put up with lazy developers.
- ukit0
"Designers crying over pixels while you're trying to fix the database carnage"
Having the same person creating the layout code and work on the database seems wrong to begin with. It's been mentioned here before but knowing how to write good HTML/ CSS is a skill unto itself, not some minor technical detail for a PHP developer to toss off on their spare time.
- toe_knee0
Just to re-cap. We have front end developers in here as well as back end. This rant was aimed at front end guys who always return sloppy layouts. We have some good ones in here, but they are few and far between. If you want to be a front end dev you have to realise and understand grids/type etc.
Some of them are so lazy I have to do the slices for them aswell.
- Stugoo0
I'll stand here as a Front End Dev and completely agree with you...
first response to an ie6 issue is always 'fuck ie6' - terrible attitude imo.
- must_dash0
Worst thing is when you get a illustrator document for a site, and you have to tell them that if their layout was 1024 * 768 their type would need to be about 5pt