Steve Jobs and Flash...
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- ukit0
Also give Apple some credit, they created Webkit.
Everytime you use Safari, Firefox or Chrome, you are using a piece of Apple derived software designed to support open standards.
- lots of mobile browsers too!PonyBoy
- as long as the 'open standards' don't cut into their business modelhotroddy
- safari blowsinstrmntl
- Firefox?raf
- firefox uses gecko, afaik - but yeah, they were good for developing webkit as open-source********
- Firefox doesn't use WebKiternexbcn
- You're right, sorry, FF = Gecko. But stillukit
- chrome is really the only good browser running on webkit. Apple can't even get their own code to run right.monNom
- twokids0
it's interesting to think that Jobs is feeling pressure, thus the big explanation....good observation, lukus_W....
I immediately encountered an issue with Apple's no flash stance when our Events group (I am at Fortune 500 company) said 'Hey let's use iPads with our multimedia'.. and I said - 'sorry can't do it....'
...how many ways is this happening right now? Think of all the flash content that is begging to go on this hot new device...and it can't.
It may be shareholders of Apple's saying 'HP is going to take half the profits that the iPad could have had because of this no-Flash stance'
- twokids0
this is really interesting.
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/a…Lack of Flash Cripples iPad as Travel Device
April 29th, 2010 at 12:05 PM - Blogs by Dave HamiltonBased on Steve Jobs’ open letter today, I can say with near-certainty that neither the iPhone nor the iPad will ever support Adobe Flash in any way, shape or form. I now know that, and it’s good to hear it clearly and directly from Apple.
But it doesn’t mean I agree with it — at least not yet. I’ve been an iPhone user for two years, and never once did I miss having Flash on that device. However, it took just two weeks with the iPad for me to miss it there. To read Steve Jobs lump both together as “mobile devices” is lazy and inaccurate (or more probably just marketing speak). The iPhone, definitely, but the iPad is more than that: it’s has the potential to be an über-portable computer and, in many ways, it already is.
Sitting on my couch, working in my office, even on the train (with a Verizon MiFi, of course), I never once missed Flash on my iPad and find its functionality works great for me in place of my laptop. However, when I took it on vacation with me and attempted to use it as my laptop replacement it failed miserably because of this one issue.
For the most part, I don’t care if I can’t see the Flash-y bells and whistles on websites. But last week on vacation my family and I had to decide where to eat dinner each night. As a family steeped in technology — and with two children whose parents don’t like to eat junk food for dinner — we’ve come to rely on being able to scope out the menu ahead of our visit to ensure everyone will find something to their liking. And on 90% of the restaurant websites we visited, Flash was required to just get to view the menu. The same was true with about half of the museum websites we attempted to visit as we planned our daily activities.
Yes, it shouldn’t be this way. Yes, these designers should be publicly flogged for their bad decisions. And, yes, in time this will change. But right now the reality is that I needed Flash to do this, and that means my iPad is crippled as a light-usage travel-replacement for my laptop.
And let’s face it, if Apple truly believed that Flash wasn’t a necessary component of our daily browsing lives they wouldn’t ship Mac OS X with the plug-in preinstalled, now would they?
- PonyBoy0
"iPad is not a laptop. lather, rinse, repeat." :)
Agreed...
... but there's a major flaw in that thinking...
The average computer user is not like most of us on this board. We actually use production software... we grind our machines as much as they can handle it.
Back to that 'average user'... what do they do? They send email, the browse the web... they view videos and pictures... play games ... not a whole lot more.
When you look at it from an average consumer's point of view... the ipad is pretty slick, compact and more than suits their needs.
- the average person is a consumer; no more and no less...ideaist
- the 'average consumer' does not have photoshop on their computerPonyBoy
- treating people as simple consumers is patronising .. the option to be more is essential.********
- average people expect to view the web, they don't care if it is Flash or HTML, they just want to see it, periodformed
- twokids0
The 'average' user doesn't care about the history of Adobe and Apple and my kids, if I gave them an iPad, would head straight to the flash game sites that they LOVE and spend hours and hours on....and be really disappointed, and go back to their laptops.
- there are a lot of paid and free games on the App Storeernexbcn
- thats like telling your kid the gobots are just as good as tranformers.instrmntl
- they dont want to start a new game...they want the ones they know!twokids
- a parent who knows exactly what their kids want. It's a Miracle!kpl
- Love the GoBots vs Transformers comparison.ETM
- well, good thing they have laptops then...ernexbcn
- winnie_the_shit0
- I see where you're going there,
where's the webcam though?georgesIII
- I see where you're going there,
- comicsans0
It must have been like this when the horse and buggy industry was watching the arrival of the automobile.
Steve Jobs has many flaws but he has an enviable track record and impeccable taste. I think in this, as in so many things his judgement is probably sound. If not then Apple has a real problem, Apple will know that too.
- newton...toilet laptop? please....he has quite a few failurestwokids
- and taste? those fucking turtlenecks?winnie_the_shit
- he is tacky as hellhotroddy
- No success without failure and when did dress sense equal business ability?comicsans
- ********0
Does he mean 'open' like you can play AAC files on other mp3 players?
this resumes it all, Jobs only talks bullshit.- You can play AAC files on Walkman MP3s for years now, but lets not let fact get in your way.kpl
- hotroddy0
It's kind of funny see Jobs explain himself. Is he squirming??
- BusterBoy0
"There are more games and entertainment titles available for iPhone, iPod and iPad than for any other platform in the world."
- ********0
Well, kids, it is all about business after-all and Mr. Jobs (seems I have to address him more formally these days) is in the game to win. Always has been and always will be.
This whole Flash vs. Apple is a just a smokescreen for the reality that for Apple to make money, exclusively and extensively, the best approach is control everything - hardware and software. Imagine how we'd be howling if Microsoft was the maker of the OS and hardware... yikes; don't we bitch about Microsoft enough?
Does Apple produce some compelling products; you bet they do. And despite what we may criticize, we represent a tech savvy *minority* - the majority, the people with the money, are clearly going to buy Apple products and get their jollies from that investment. No, they won't buy a lot of Macbooks and iPads even - but iPods and iPhones have been cobbled up as quickly as they can hit the street. That revenue momentum cannot be ignored.
With all of this in mind, I'm still cautious about the Apple phenomenon since it is still very, very Northern Hemisphere, "first" world oriented. They continue to ignore the vast majority of the world to which English is not the first language; keep reminding yourself that over two thirds of the world does not live in the "north" and their daily concerns are not about which application is going to make their day better.
Now, for all you designers out there: you make you money catering to the public that is willing to pay for it. If that public has embraced an Apple-centric view of the world, you can bet your ass you are going to design with that in mind. It is, however, just one marketplace - the more platforms/areas you cover the better off you will be. More work is a good thing, right?
- lol @ formality...ideaist
- I'd probably get hunted if I called him steve-o like the good ol' days********
- mrghost0
Wellllll,
He can't exactly go and say that they expect to shift the market and destroy their competition. But that is exactly what they plan to do.
- CyBrain0
I would seriously find it less sickening if Microsoft bought Adobe than Apple at this point.
- utopian0
APPLE = MICROSOFT
- Nah - not so bad; gonna make some money with Adobe, Apple and Microsoft.********
- Nah - not so bad; gonna make some money with Adobe, Apple and Microsoft.
- utopian0
APPLE IS THE NEW MICROSOFT
- ********0
So, anyone come up with an all-in-one, one-step Flash to HTML5/iPad friendly conversion tool yet? There's gold in them thar hills...
- apple flash cs5quack
- http://labs.adobe.co…quack
- adobe flash cs5quack
- what a cross compiler? Safari will ban it. .hotroddy
- utopian0
Jon Stewart to Steve Jobs: 'Chill, baby'
The Daily Show host blasts Apple for Big Brother tactics in the lost iPhone case
- johnnnnyh0
If I were at Adobe I think I'd consider pulling support for CS4/5 on the Mac. I wonder how much impact that would have. Ultimately, overtime if you couldn't get PS/Illustrator etc on a Mac as software tools of the trade many people would end up on a PC, since software is software and although the OS is important I use the software place on an OS.
I doubt this would happen as Adobe probably sell a lot of units to Mac users, but I really think if it was my company I would be seeing Job's statement as a "shot across the bows" which I'd want to respond to eventually.
If you're a designer and you use Adobe products on a Mac I just sense that Apple are begging to push the loyalty button, perhaps a little too hard now.- That is an interesting point. I would move back to a PC if that were the case.harmsie
- It's strictly hypothetical, at this pint. Nonetheless, were that to happen, I'd have no trouble moving my work to Windows, as long as CS4/5 works.Continuity
- ... long as CS4/5 work.Continuity
- sorry really bad typing in that but hope you get my meaningjohnnnnyh
- georgesIII0
:)
