Lazy developers
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- hilchev0
actually you are the lazy bastard, drawing pics and expect miracles with minimal input, wait for the "lazy designers" topic ... omg!!!
- monNom0
Most developers haven't developed the eye for composition and spacial harmony that designers have. The ability to distinguish what's wrong with a design is something you have to work at.
Think of how ugly your drawings were as a kid. You had no concept of what was wrong with them, or how to make them better.
That said, I've helped out on some relatively heavy development work with a seasoned developer... my code laughed at.
It cuts both ways
- SPECTACULAR0
YEA INSTEAD OF COMPLaining yew can reed a book or sumthin... every develiper has to develipmnent sum codez that will develip that applicashun. know wander he lookz like hes mad at yew!!!!!! HAHAHA???
- PonyBoy-1
monNom...
... the PSD's are pixel-perfect... all objects cut to 5px... I don't buy the argument you're making. These PSD's are like a fucking IKEA box w/directions... you really can't go wrong.
As for me developing... I can handle my own (both cut and dev... flash... php... etc)...
... I wasn't hired for that.... someone else was - and they're not doing their fucking job. :)
You're all so cute. :)
- no you are telling that an Ikea assembly cannot go wrong? If there are humans involved everything always can go wrong!maikel
- WRONG!
maikel - Ikea is hard!sneakybadger
- monNom0
Not saying it's right, just that it will probably never change. I deal it with constantly and that's my working theory anways.
As for how I handle it: Important stuff gets marked-up by me. Less important I generally let the minor imperfections slide.
- rosem0
moral of the story... if you want something done right — do it yourself.
- SPECTACULAR0
rosam; i thank yew mean "mural":
- sofakingbanned0
I hear you on this thread. i cant for the life of me get my developers to stick to the psds i give them. its really simple stuff too.
me: "make the drop down like this and in this color"
them: "its just easier to use the drop down from the previous site"Shit like that alllllllllll day.
- bcuz if the wheel works, why invent the wheel again for use again?SPECTACULAR
- to a certain point, but changing the color is not going to impact his day, i mean come onsofakingbanned
- sofakingbanned0
rosem
thats not mine or ponyboys job. that's what those fuckers are getting paid to do.
so your logic is I have to do 2 peoples jobs because that fucker cant handle simple directions?
- PonyBoy-1
"its just easier to use the drop down from the previous site"
I'd like to see them in turn use that argument w/a repair paint job to their car...
"we used the paint color from the last job we did... it was just easier"
- I deal with that logic all day man. all day.sofakingbanned
- SPECTACULAR0
DEVELIPMENT == functionalaty!!!!
YEW CANT PAINT FUNCTIONALATY on a cart...
ITZ EAZY-E 2 USE THE BLUEPRINT( THE CODEZ FROM THE PREVIOUS PROJECT) 2 BUILD THE CAR (DROP DOWN MENU)!!!! thas how OOP wurks!!!????- and the BEST develipers can make the design transforum with the code.SPECTACULAR
- ukit0
I think there are really three separate skillsets:
Designer
Front End Developer
"Real" DeveloperThe real developer couldn't give a shit how something looks. The front end developer, ideally, knows HTML and CSS inside and out and has an eye for design, but in reality there are only like 3 of them in the world that are any good. The designer may know the stuff but they feel it is beneath their paygrade/ demeaning to crack open a code editor.
- must_dash0
Getting .psd's, is that like how web sites were made IN BLOODY 1997!
- PonyBoy-1
for all I know there is a 'front end developer' in use...
... I however have no control nor am in touch - I'm trapped outside w/nothing but a middleman making promises and continuously asking for 'help'.
As for your three-step deal... hell yeah, I'll sign on to that setup... unfortunately that's not the deal here... but does sound ideal...
... alas - I think we're going w/Arial regardless...
... and I've just been told that this person won't be used again in the future as they sold themselves as competent and able to cut html to the easier-than-shit specs laid out before them.
must_dash... what do you hand off when providing direction / assets for sites?... psd's is all I've ever know outside of the occasional fireworks or illustrator file (either is fine by me as long as you label your layers and provide all assets such as fonts... just like I've done this time and every time I'm hired to produce/design)...
- calculator0
I agree with you man, they don't need to know about design or spatial awareness. They just need to take the TEMPLATE and fucking make it.
- clearThoughts0
I think that if you were writting the Markup yourself you would avoid all this issues...
How long does it take to write some CSS these days?
When I design I website, I'm already thinking what I would the markup would look like.Otherwise how can you be creative with it?
If it's not Flash, you better know what you are doing. Otherwise you are just making the job of the developers hard.
- PonyBoy-1
"Otherwise you are just making the job of the developers hard."
BOO--FUCKING--HOO... what... are the developers Kings and Queens amongst the peasant designers who just did 6 iterations and then was forced to do 3 more iterations on the version that the client 'loved' last night but now wants to change again and again?
Welcome to the world... lol @ 'hard'...
... do the job you committed to or get lost... I have no clue why some of you are backing the 'woes' of some of this mightier-than-though developers who are just here to connect shit up to the 'DB'... congrats - you're a dime a dozen like the rest of...
... only thing is... we won't be using 'you' next time because you commit to shit you fail to complete. ;)
- must_dash0
When i do receive visuals they're usually as a visual guide and it's my job to design what happens in between those 4 photoshop documents. Working straight from psd's will just produce in effect a bunch of big image maps. I'm being over simplistic here to make a point.
- PIZZA0
"You rely on the developer to slice graphics?"
If you let them do it they moan about it and fuck it up,
If you do it yourself they moan that you didn't do it the way they intended to program the thing.Who you need to hire ideally is someone who wanted to be a designer but became a good developer instead because they have an eye for design. I've worked with about 3 people in my time who you could send a design to and everything would be slick and positioned correctly and animate together nicely.
Then the rest of the time I work lazy cunts.
- PIZZA0
/\ with lazy cunts*
One time I worked with a developer who had create an email form on a piece of paper sliding out of an envelope. Now I animated all this for him but the fucking cunt was too lazy to put all his form inside the piece of paper movieclip that he instead put a fake form on that piece of paper and then floated his form on top of that when the animation was done, so suddenly all the boxes shifted about 3 pixels in arbitrary directions because the fuck couldn't even line his shitty hack up.