Lazy developers
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- moth0
"Spoken like a true lazy cunt."
Not really. I heartily expect that the only reason you're making a developer bend someone elses code is because the last one walked off the job because of your lack of understanding.
Anyway - as a developer, I pick what I work on. And I don't take on sloppy seconds. I don't have to. So why would I?
- doesnotexist0
I am continually asking mine to follow the design boards I provide. it's a pain-filled process.
- must_dash0
stop swearing, you're not 12 years old are you?
- PIZZA0
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Spoken like a true lazy cunt.
He had a set of fucking hand over notes, and did the project in 5 minutes when he stopped being a whiney bitch. And I've done lots of development myself and worked with other peoples flash files so I know exactly what its like. As I said in an earlier post, not all developers are bad and a good one would have never given drama over that job but lazy ones are the majority."If you want your graphics cut up all pixel perfect etc then do it yourself.
a designer SHOULD be doing that sort of stuff anyway."
Thats moronic, the cutting up of graphics has a huge impact on how something is coded.- Im by no means a lazy developer but i gripe like a mother fucker when it isnt done how i like it... the right way!Stugoo
- moth0
"oh and don't get me started on whining about having to work in someone else's code"
Spoken like a true hack-it-about designer.
A poorly structure PSD doesn't stop photoshop working.
Poorly structured code, does.
- 23kon0
"Most developers haven't developed the eye for composition and spacial harmony that designers have. "by MonNom
He's right.
If you want your graphics cut up all pixel perfect etc then do it yourself.
a designer SHOULD be doing that sort of stuff anyway.when i hand over stuff to our developers, they get jpegs of the pages, printouts of the pages with all colours/fonts/sizes marked up on it
(rather than just giving them a psd to look at and judge sizes/pixels)
and they get all the images cut up needed for the build.
- lukus_W0
Maybe you're not paying enough? Perhaps you need a better front-end developer?
- d_rek0
Understandably a two-way street. I can sympathize with PonyBoy here. I work with an in-house dev who is of the utmost lazy. The last site I designed I had to literally sit over his shoulder while he re-sliced up assets because what he build was so far off-spec it was frightening. He also made a large amount of stylistic changes which were way-off spec. He's a classic case of developer/designer-wannabe... which makes working with him very challenging.
On the flipside i've worked with a really great dev who delivered on all fronts and even went above and beyond to add lots of little finishing touches I hadn't thought of.
- welded0
I think the take-away here is that you guys apparently work with the worst/most junior developers in the world. I'm sorry for that. :/ A good developer will make it work and have a good reason when something won't. Keeping in mind I've had to work with many PSDs where the designer has thought they've made my life easier by plotting a hundred guides or flattened layers or not used layer comps or used off-pixel vector shapes... It goes both ways, guys.
- PIZZA0
oh and don't get me started on whining about having to work in someone else's code. IT'S PART OF YOUR FUCKING JOB! think I like digging around in some cunts PSD file with hundreds of unnamed layers?
I accept it will take longer if its someone else's code, but whining about it every step of the fucking way or just refusing to do it and hacking something else together on top of it, FUCK OFF.
- Stugoo0
pixel perfection makes part of the profession. ©
- spraycan0
dhtml + cufon
- taxiguerrilla0
If you want your graphic on the web to look exactly as you designed it on photoshop, just export some jpg and upload it to the web.
- PIZZA0
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One time I worked with a developer who had create an email form on a piece of paper sliding out of an envelope. Now I animated all this for him but the fucking cunt was too lazy to put all his form inside the piece of paper movieclip that he instead put a fake form on that piece of paper and then floated his form on top of that when the animation was done, so suddenly all the boxes shifted about 3 pixels in arbitrary directions because the fuck couldn't even line his shitty hack up.
- PIZZA0
"You rely on the developer to slice graphics?"
If you let them do it they moan about it and fuck it up,
If you do it yourself they moan that you didn't do it the way they intended to program the thing.Who you need to hire ideally is someone who wanted to be a designer but became a good developer instead because they have an eye for design. I've worked with about 3 people in my time who you could send a design to and everything would be slick and positioned correctly and animate together nicely.
Then the rest of the time I work lazy cunts.
- must_dash0
When i do receive visuals they're usually as a visual guide and it's my job to design what happens in between those 4 photoshop documents. Working straight from psd's will just produce in effect a bunch of big image maps. I'm being over simplistic here to make a point.
- PonyBoy-1
"Otherwise you are just making the job of the developers hard."
BOO--FUCKING--HOO... what... are the developers Kings and Queens amongst the peasant designers who just did 6 iterations and then was forced to do 3 more iterations on the version that the client 'loved' last night but now wants to change again and again?
Welcome to the world... lol @ 'hard'...
... do the job you committed to or get lost... I have no clue why some of you are backing the 'woes' of some of this mightier-than-though developers who are just here to connect shit up to the 'DB'... congrats - you're a dime a dozen like the rest of...
... only thing is... we won't be using 'you' next time because you commit to shit you fail to complete. ;)
- clearThoughts0
I think that if you were writting the Markup yourself you would avoid all this issues...
How long does it take to write some CSS these days?
When I design I website, I'm already thinking what I would the markup would look like.Otherwise how can you be creative with it?
If it's not Flash, you better know what you are doing. Otherwise you are just making the job of the developers hard.
- calculator0
I agree with you man, they don't need to know about design or spatial awareness. They just need to take the TEMPLATE and fucking make it.
- PonyBoy-1
for all I know there is a 'front end developer' in use...
... I however have no control nor am in touch - I'm trapped outside w/nothing but a middleman making promises and continuously asking for 'help'.
As for your three-step deal... hell yeah, I'll sign on to that setup... unfortunately that's not the deal here... but does sound ideal...
... alas - I think we're going w/Arial regardless...
... and I've just been told that this person won't be used again in the future as they sold themselves as competent and able to cut html to the easier-than-shit specs laid out before them.
must_dash... what do you hand off when providing direction / assets for sites?... psd's is all I've ever know outside of the occasional fireworks or illustrator file (either is fine by me as long as you label your layers and provide all assets such as fonts... just like I've done this time and every time I'm hired to produce/design)...