Death of Flash
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- Milan0
Adobe shouldn't allow any image containing the Apple logo to be opened in the next version of Photoshop and Illustrator. Similar to how they don't allow you to import images of currency in Photoshop. That'll show em!
- stewdio0
@SteveJobs. Google also does not like Flash either. Their "03D" project is indeed hardware-accelerated 3D rendering via JavaScript. No Flash involved.
- do you think people will be willing to download the plug-in?ayport
- nothing can be truly hardware accelerated thru javascriptspraycan
- YouTube is Flash...will they port it to JavaScript? spose they could.WrappedInBooks
- BattleAxe0
http://mashable.com/2010/05/10/a…
Android Now Outselling iPhone to go with that vid ^
now Flash is back?
- detritus0
- Whats this.
http://www.virginame…pillhead - It's Flash.detritus
- "the Jesus phone"!twokids
- Whats this.
- vaxorcist0
Flash ROI is an issue....
-how much does it cost to make a flash site?
-how maintainable is site after developer leaves?
-how predictable is the timeframe?
-how likely is it to require a rewrite rather than a tweek in a few months?
-how can we manage the client's expectations of near-avatar-like animation?
-how can we do SEO without re-inventing stuff too much?- With the way you can write AS3 sites they can be extremely flexible. Check out some of the frameworks that are out now.mathinc
- whatsup0
Flash is good for desktops, bad for mobile.
- jhey0
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make this in html 5:
grooveshark.comor this:
http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703- don't see anything in grooveshark that can't be accomplished in html/jsacescence
- Did you create an account, que up music, play, reload it, etc.? It can be done in other languages, but Flash makes the most sense.jhey
- ... most sensejhey
- Not really. You'd be better off pointing to something with super detailed animation.ukit
- whatsup0
Adobe should just make their own device that can play flash stuff.
- must_dash0
Sorry for the long post, but...
I've built Flash web sites for the last 10 years or so, more than often completely made from Flash. Some flash stuff I've seen chugs along on my Mac Pro, so it is never going to work well on something with a lot less power...e.g The iPad...
But I must point out that only 10% of people use a mac, and possibly 10% of those use an iPad... so that works out at 1%, meanwhile Flash penetration is at about 98.8% so more people don't have the Flash plug-in anyway... I've not included the iPhone in that as it doesn't suit the device...
Why doesn't Flash suit the iPhone? Well the beauty behind Flash was the feedback you had with your mouse, rollovers that changed text, or opened sections of a site, or revealed navigation... How would that translate onto iPhone/iPad? it wouldn't... dragging your finger around scrolls the pages, not a mouse pointer... So a lot of the stuff I like about Flash wouldn't be used on there anyway.
The good old days of Flash have gone also... the sites I still think are great, is not how Flash is used now. E.g the original Frost* site by de-construct, or the Spin site by Hi-res... these days all the Flash stuff seems to be bloated video playing sites... It is like going back to using videodiscs at school or a Don Bluth game where you just participate at key points of the site.
In my opinion Flash and interaction design was always at its best when people were leaning forward and interacting in real time with Flash sites, now they tend to be lean back, and let the visuals wash over them. The problem is that however big the studio is, their video work looks amateur compared to broadcast and cinema. So you get the worst of both worlds... and end up with just piss poor telly.
HTML5 or jQuery or mooTools are rapidly getting to the point where they allow for interaction design without digging through version and browser hell of javascript compatibility... and they allow a lot of the features I've always used in Flash.
So sorry Adobe but unless you bring Flash back to the designers and stop throwing video, 3D capabilties etc at it, rather than fixing what doesn't work with it... then I'm out.
- man, i totally agree 100%.showpony
- yeah only Mac users have iPhones... OH HANG ON!BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD
- I never said that.must_dash
- you did "10% of people use a mac, and possibly 10% of those use an iPad... so that works out at 1%"
BIGGESTDOGINTHEWORLD - that would assume that ipod users don't have a home computermust_dash
- I think there are a lot of generalizations in your opinions. There are good and bad interactive Flash sites and good and bad flash video-heavy sites.CyBrain
- and bad video-heavy sites.CyBrain
- whatsup0
Actually Adobe should start making their own devices. A great player that sends and receives PDFs and plays interactive flash and video files. No touchscreen, so no need to rewrite their entire language to deal with touch gestures.
- evanburke0
Pupsipu, browsers may exist on 100% of platforms. I don't think anyone disputes that.
But there are huge difference between the actual browsers people are using. Some people still use IE5, ffs.
HTML5 won't be viable for years because of slow adoption and disparate implementation.
@font-face has been around since 1998 (CSS2) and it's still a mess to use because of varying support and implementation.
- raf0
There was lots of talking about how iPhone's lack of Flash was going to suck. This came only from people who never owned an iPhone and did not stop millions from getting at least one each.
I own one (two and an iPod Touch actually) and as much as I love Flash, I never found the iPhone lacking support for it to be a problem.
I'm not a prophet, but I feel that Flash, the better player (pun intended), is going away the way of Betamax.
HTML5 is here and it can do half of the things Flash could do in 1999. It's laughable compared to modern Flash, but something tells me it will win.
- Would you also bet on an image editor that was about as good as Photoshop 5?CyBrain
- must_dash0
saying that there is a lot of data for a flash app to download isn't always a problem... most of my .swfs are under 100k
- i got loaders for my loaders beyatchkingsteven
- lolrayborn3000
- utopian0
GFY Steve Jobs
- quantelpaintbox0
Looks like Apple managed to bully Adobe into finally getting off their arses with their piece of shit plugin
- ...or, you have no fucking clue.rounce
- I have a clue that it runs like fucking shit till recentlyquantelpaintbox
- spraycan0
bad new for flash !!