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- rainman0
This is just another ploy by the US government. There are no pirates... it's just a way to get into Somalia and get control of their oil. We're motherfuckers...
;)
- yeah sort ofKwesiJ
- Yeah, like we got the oil in Iraq. Oh wait...homeostatic
- KwesiJ0
Some people are skeptical about this but I assure its very true especially these days but when seemingly criminal gangs like pirates and terrorists start behaving politically and targeting select targets and the media then jump in there and make a big stink of it in many cases its being instigated by entities related to the targets themselves so they can go in there and fuck them up forcfully in 'response'.
- GeorgesII0
@ Ukit,
why do you think the US has to commit sins upon sins and always get away with it.
Why does it imports to you only when US citizen are threatened, the Somali that has been dying quietly for years now it didn't get you worked up,
its like an appetite for blood that I don't understand, you can call me names but I think that the day the US and its allies will stop pumping their guns around the world, it will be a better world,
I've been following this subject for years but these past 2 weeks has been the most animated, I ask why? then I remembered Africom, the Us need to go back into africa heavily to stop the chinese take over,
mark my word,
this conflict is only beginning and it will be a conflict between for the Us and China for the spot of first world power and sadly this time the US is no match, because you're broke and Obama knows it.- When the US stops "pumping their guns" around the world, it just means someone else will...TheBlueOne
- ..and it might be someone less inclines to tolerate opinions like yours. Just saying..TheBlueOne
- oooohhh pleeeeeeeease, can you gimme one thing you've gained from the war on terror, oneGeorgesII
- Hey, I never supported the war on terror...TheBlueOne
- Yes. Prevention of large scale terrorist attacks.homeostatic
- 2. Pressure put on theocratic regimes to shapen up.homeostatic
- 3. Newsflash - Iraq actually has a chance of becoming a democracy.homeostatic
- lowimpakt0
this shit has been going down for years.
wake up. rise and shine.
- JackRyan0
AMERICA....
- ukit0
@ GeorgesII
You can't use geopolitics to justify the criminal actions of an individual. Same logic could be used to excuse any kind of action, including killing innocent people in Spain, London, or NYC.
And saying this particular incident is some kind of ruse simply because it involves Americans taking action against people in Somalia is beyond absurd. Not everything is a conspiracy theory, sometimes shit just happens.
But now that I think of it, don't you buy into the Amero theory as well...maybe I am wasting my time here.
- I give up,
this is why the world will always burn, because you are not capable of google a word, poor youGeorgesII - George. Spare us.homeostatic
- I give up,
- nuggler0
You are being lied to about pirates!
http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/yo…
- KwesiJ0
USA needs an extreme amount of hysterical pirate paranoia first then they'll go primetime
- TheBlueOne0
"this conflict is only beginning and it will be a conflict between for the Us and China for the spot of first world power and sadly this time the US is no match, because you're broke and Obama knows it."
A) You're probably right in theory
B) Any actual fighting will most likely be done by african forces being backed by both sides. So the dying and misery will mostly be borne by the africans. And don't think they're all that innocent either.
C) China still has subpar force projection compared to the US, so I wouldn't put my money on China in this case so quickly. China is equally in financial dire straits plus they have a revolution brewing at home.
D) And somehow you seem to think that a nation run by a dictatorial oligarchical system embracing the worst parts of crony capitalism is better than one that at least is somewhat a post-industrial functional democracy, You european leftists really make me wonder sometime with all your US hate...sure some might be justified, but you just go just as far off the deep end as some US rightwing nutjobs...
- KwesiJ0
usa has a huge mercenary force that has been invested in in the billions all through the Bush years. It'll continue to be put to use by Obama, Bush admin. set it up for the long term and pirates in somalia are a perfect use for them. IN other words usa isn't broke they just put their money where they wanted it. watch for the Blackwater gang to be all over africa.
- Why send mercs when you can pay poor africans to do the fighting at a fraction of the cost?TheBlueOne
- See: Sons of Iraq.TheBlueOne
- cuz you got to do something with them. and they already are there anyway.KwesiJ
- mercs. are doing all the damage in Iraq and did in Chili aswell...they are responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent people lives.KwesiJ
- local soldiers just look good and do the dirty work but they are not effective killers. when something needs to be done mercs do it.KwesiJ
- ....mercs do it. Same with special forces etc.KwesiJ
- Again, it's more advantageous to pay locals than pay mercs to achieve the same ends.TheBlueOne
- not as profitable or effective. advantageous yes, thats why both are used.KwesiJ
- depends on the situation.TheBlueOne
- Point50
When the US stops "pumping their guns" around the world, it just means someone else will...– TheBlue
No doubt about this. Everyone is pumping their guns really, only it's within the boundaries that are kept at this moment.
- err, that top section quoted from TheBlueOne's note above, not “TheBlue”
Point5 - who is TheBlue?TheBlueOne
- err, that top section quoted from TheBlueOne's note above, not “TheBlue”
- ukit0
I am seeing a lot of pirate sympathizers in this thread...
- Someone had to be watching all those Disney movies, no?TheBlueOne
- not about sympathy its about reality.KwesiJ
- GeorgesII0
I can't believe the shit you're saying Ukit,
I'll do some google for you, I know people suffering from heavy cognitive dissonance and you will probably not read the article, but i'll try and help you
now lets jump back in time, lets say 93/94
http://findarticles.com/p/articl…
"We're struggling to pay our rent, let alone support terrorism,"
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/4…
"Credible evidence'"
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?s…
there's tons of article involving the US illegal raids in Somalia, now lets bring the africom matter up
"When one of the African representatives asked about China, they backtracked and said that Africom doesn't see itself as a response to China and will seek to cooperate with China in the future. Africom is scheduled to produce a posture statement outlining its mission and intentions in March 2008.A couple of other interesting points they made was to say that they saw the Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa (the people who are spearheading U.S. involvement in Somalia and Ethiopia) as a model for what Africom could do in the rest of the continent. They admitted that they had made no attempt to consult with anyone at the UN while they were developing Africom and hadn't really consulted with anyone in Africa either."
http://allafrica.com/stories/200…using the word conspiracy to describe what is going on, proves that you have no clue about it,
its like pulling out an hitler in a debate, its automatically voids your point- The United States is Not the root of all evil in the world. That lies in the heart of all men,TheBlueOne
- ********0
why don't they just give crew members guns?
- Would violate insurance. seriously.TheBlueOne
- haha seriously?********
- you figure having ships jacked at sea would increase the insurance as well********
- CALLES0
too unclimatic
- ukit0
Good question. I was listening to a discussion of this last night, and apparently the insurance costs of the companies doing the shipping would skyrocket if the crew members carried guns. It seems ridiculous, but that;s the reality.
- <--ukit is correct. And once again we discover that the insurance industry is at the root of our problems..TheBlueOne
- GeorgesII0
I REPEAT
""When one of the African representatives asked about China, they backtracked and said that Africom doesn't see itself as a response to China and will seek to cooperate with China in the future. Africom is scheduled to produce a posture statement outlining its mission and intentions in March 2008.A couple of other interesting points they made was to say that they saw the Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa (the people who are spearheading U.S. involvement in Somalia and Ethiopia) as a model for what Africom could do in the rest of the continent. They admitted that they had made no attempt to consult with anyone at the UN while they were developing Africom and hadn't really consulted with anyone in Africa either.""
this article is from 2008 which means BEFORE Obama was elected, they had already planned of going into Africa way before you heard about those pirates
I can't make it clearer than this- Yeah sure, there are resources in China. But here's a newsflash—we have pretty amazing economic and diplomatic cooperation with China.homeostatic
- diplomatic cooperation with China.homeostatic
- TheBlueOne0
So you're basically saying that the pirates are a ruse, a front to justify the use of US military on the African continent?
To which I'd reply...pffft. We didn't need the pirates, they're are about a solid handful of humanitarian causes that would easily justify it - and those come with tacit european approval. The pirates actually make it more difficult.
- ukit0
So good ol' Captain Phillips is actually a CIA agent?