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- moth0
"The idea that space and time may form a closed surface without boundary also has profound implications for the role of God in the affairs of the universe. With the success of scientific theories in describing events, most people have come to believe that God allows the universe to evolve according to a set of laws and does not intervene in the universe to break these laws. However, the laws do not tell us what the universe should have looked like when it started -- it would still be up to God to wind up the clockwork and choose how to start it off. So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. But if the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would have neither beginning nor end: it would simply be. What place, then, for a creator?
What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary. "
~ Stephen W. Hawking
- KwesiJ0
'creator' doesn't have to mean 'first cause' so much as a continual cause, so within infinite realms the God is still the absolute 'creator' force
- ukit0
KweisJ, what you are describing is so abstract that it's almost neither here nor there whether it even exists or not. If God is just some kind of cosmic force at the root of everything, why would it matter if we call it God or not? What good would praying do? What impact would it have on morality?
- It seems like you are just calling it God for the sake of having something to call Godukit
- because morality is rational and human and priority in this sense for GodKwesiJ
- God is as much a word game as a reality game. its a logic itself interwoven with experience.KwesiJ
- Well, I can say that we have evolved a certain kind of morality and it has the same implication/ meaningukit
- You are basically reducing God to nothing in an effort to make his existence plausibleukit
- there's no room for nihilism in meaningful and substantial existanceKwesiJ
- i'm reducing God i'm improving its image to explain its presenseKwesiJ
- sorry typo: NOT reducing god.KwesiJ
- Just because you don't believe in God, doesn't mean you are a nihilistukit
- The idea of "meaning" and "purpose" are very human concepts IMO, not necessarily relevant to any kind of larger truthukit
- truth or realityukit
- not calling anyone a nihilist i'm saying acknowledging 'meaning' in existance suggests an intellegenct 'God'. the reverse is nihilistic atheism.KwesiJ
- ....reverse is nihilistic atheism.KwesiJ
- it si a bit of a word game but becomes closer to the ancient notion of God and gods in human life. i don't think God will go away.KwesiJ
- ...will go away in future.KwesiJ
- lifterBARON0
I have no idea how this conversation got here.. But it sounds fuckin rad. The moral of the story is, read books and question everything. Fuck people who tell you that you are wrong and they are right without being able to provide and logical evidence or explanation. We don't exist and reality is a distraction.
- you will most likely never know the secrets of the universe, so wouldn't it be safe to assume it's a matter of faith ->a_iver
- either faith in a belief system or faith in a set of observations (when either of them could be correct, incorrect, or something else.)a_iver
- else.a_iver
- why not strive to 'know'?ribit