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- kelpie0
wait a minute, does working in one environment, flash, define a developer in this context? I'm maybe in the wrong discussion here
- Jaline0
I'm both. And yeah, I don't have experience with all types of scripting. Which is one reason why I'm in school. I love the development aspect of it more, but I find the designing part to be easier.
- and good for you :)303
- you on a computer science degree J?kelpie
- Nope. I'm doing Interactive Development. I learned coding by myself at 12, but I need to learn properly.Jaline
- I already did a degree in a Media Studies-related field, so I didn't want to spend another 4 years in school. Just 2.Jaline
- what does it teach you, out of interest?kelpie
- It's probably what you don't like. Jack-of-all-trades. But I'm focusing on web and actionscript next year.Jaline
- We do a lot of coding, come to think of it. But we also do video work, motion, 3D, and photography.Jaline
- I was going to do a development-only program but it was extremely expensive (at a private college).Jaline
- I'm not fiching for stuff I don't like, don't worry ;D just genuinely interested.kelpie
- interested to see how future graduates skills may effect the structure of an agency/projectkelpie
- Nah, I was just noting it b/c you posted something like that on the previous page :) No worriesJaline
- eg: you will graduate with extra skills to some people who we would look at now, but without things they have. If everybody goes in this direction how will it effect how things are approached in the future?kelpie
- ...goes in this direction how will it effect how things are approached in the future? it will shape what's done going forwardkelpie
- therefore its vital to know and I haven't been near a college in 10 years ;)kelpie
- I think both types of programs exist, but the creator of our program is into the "versatility" idea.Jaline
- section_0140
I started out as a designer, but early on in my career I realized just using html only limited me quite a bit. So, I taught myself PHP/Mysql. It wasn't easy at first(it's not easy now lol), but I couldn't be happier now that I've learned it. It makes me more marketable, my websites are much more efficient and it has opened up more freelance work because I can build database driven sites. I actually quite enjoy programming now. My next adventure is learning actionscript 3 and modeling a Konesigg CCR in 3dMax.
- I keep learning more code with all these scripting languages and it can be overwhelming. Can't remember it all...Jaline
- kerus0
i think all web designers should dabble in a little code here and there. at the very least it helps you keep your work fresh and know what can/can't be done. or what will/won't get you motherfuck'd by the devs ;)
- rounce0
I'd consider myself a Designer/Developer. I saw a few posts on pg1 saying it's not possible or programmers and designers think differently, what a load of bollocks. What do you think architects do? It's all about training your mind to sway easily between the literal and the abstract.
- mistermik0
fancy looking blogs dont count
- trooperbill0
id have thought there were tones of these, out of all the jobs ive applied for they want an uber designer/php god/flash genius/seo/accessability god all in one person for £18k :(
- ukit0
People can be good at more than one thing yknow
- gramme0
I learned some web stuff in college and it just didn't adhere to my brain in the same way as the finer points of typography, color theory, etc.
Do you guys see design becoming more or less specialized? Are talented designers coming out of school right now who can also write clean, useful code? Part of me wants to at least learn Flash programming, and part of me says the hell with it, there will always be developers around.
Really the only reason I might want to learn Flash and some basic HTML coding is for the sake of overhauling my own website without having to wrangle over typography with some left-brain numbskull who finds it acceptable to "approximate" my layout and typographic decisions.
- ukit0
Some designers will probably be more specialized with jobs like User Experience Designer or designer for specific platforms, but I'm sure there will be plenty of small companies that still want people who can design, write Flash, HTML, CSS etc.
- gramme0
Really? In my experience, I've never seen a "designer wanted" position that required more than a basic understanding of the limitations and possibilities in web design. I guess the only exception I've seen to that is at firms that do strictly interactive design. The Pentagrams, VSAs, Landors, Fitches, etc. who do it all seem to want people who are either designers with a basic understanding of web design, or developers with a basic understanding of design principles. No?
- Like I said...smaller companies...not big firms. I'm sure you could find a job to match your skillset no matter what, so better to do what you wantukit
- I know, but I've seen the differentiation at small shops too. Case in point, I'm one of 4 designersgramme
- at a very small design firm. We always hire out dev work. We don't even slice files up.gramme
- We just design sites in InDesign at specific base pixel dimensions, then hand it off to web designers/dev people.gramme
- Well I am living proof that some people do both;-)ukit
- Although I have also worked in jobs where I never wrote any code at allukit
- ********0
i'd describe myself as designer / developer
- mrdoob0
After reading this thread... I think I'll just retire.
- fugged0
What a pointless thing to argue...
- ********0
* beats head against wall
- richardkark0
not sure if anyone mentioned James Paterson: http://www.presstube.com
- monkeyshine0
Why not css? I know enough code to cause trouble or call BS on lazy developers. I'm a cut-n-paste code ninja...does that count? :)
- redant0
I agree with section_104 it def makes you more marketable and you can create the websites more efficiently. I have not gotten to that level and it sucks. I want to learn backend. My next project I will work with a developer and hopefully I can learn from him.
