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Check this out guys. I was curious why the MEDIA is not talking about Judge Roll. They aren't even mentioning him.
Napolitano 'Committed Criminal Conspiracy' With Judge John Roll Who Was Slain Today
http://apcheck.blogspot.com/2011…
I think we can all disagree that Napolitano is scary. We actually have the head of Homeland Security who can't even admit she is a lesbian. That really doesn't matter but don't you have to be honest with yourself first? Throughs the whole trust thing out of the window. Not to mention it makes her blackmail-able.
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An aide to Sarah Palin claims the crosshairs depicted in her now-infamous target list of Democrats were not actually gun-sights, and that it's "obscene" and "appalling" to blame Palin for the shooting.
"We never ever, ever intended it to be gun sights. It was simply cross-hairs like you'd see on maps," said Rebecca Mansour on the Tammy Bruce radio show. Moreover, there was "nothing irresponsible" about the image, and to draw a line connecting Palin and Saturday's shooting is "obscene" and "appalling."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.c…
However, turns out that Palin herself referred to them that way.
- Do u think Palin's intentions was to inspire people to kill? Or jsut hyperbole to rile voters?********
- yeah because we see a lot of cross hairs on maps.moldero
- No, of course not. Just dumb and irresponsible riling people up...which is the same as the whole Tea Party/ right wing extremist movement since Obama took office.********
- movement since Obama took office. GOP doesn't want them to actually shoot people, but it sure as hell gets them to the polls to have people buy into this delusional view of reality.********
- polls when people buy into this delusional view of reality.********
- she used the word 'taint'.bulletfactory
- I know, lol @ "t'aint bad"********
- Do u think Palin's intentions was to inspire people to kill? Or jsut hyperbole to rile voters?
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Jared Lee Loughner seems like he was an "extreme" leftist and he shot a Democrat centrist.
Caitie Parker, who went to high school, college and was in a band with the gunman, labeled Loughner as "quite liberal" and "more left" on her Twitter account.
It was that Twitter posting that first prompted ABC News' Jack Tapper to send out a Twitter message of his own, asking publicly how he can get in touch with Parker.
ABC News online today quoted a "high school classmate" of Loughner's, apparently Parker, as saying "he was extremely political in high school, but not radical."
The ABC News online article does not state which kind of politics Loughner ascribes to.
In her Twitter postings, Parker wrote of Loughner, "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."
She also described him as "more left."
http://www.businessinsider.com/w…
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Uh huh. And thats why he was ranting about the gold standard, violating the Constitution, illegal immigrants, and government mind control. And killed a Democratic Congresswoman.
Maybe he used to be left wing, but it definitely sounds like he picked up on all of this crazy talk that is going around these days about opposing the evil Socialist government.
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DHS probing shooter's ties to fanatical group
http://www.politico.com/news/sto…
The feds are reportedly probing whether shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner has ties to an anti-Semitic, anti-government hate group that has ads for tea party organizations on its website.
A Department of Homeland Security memo quoted by Fox News says the agency is looking into whether Loughner is “possibly linked” to the fanatical group American Renaissance.
- Looks like law enforcement doesn't buy your little theory there chilamont********
- I fucking doubt it, you just can't seem to admit the truth. typical********
- Looks like law enforcement doesn't buy your little theory there chilamont
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'Mother,' 'Father' Changing to 'Parent One,' 'Parent Two' on Passport Applications
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/…
The words “mother” and “father” will be removed from U.S. passport applications and replaced with gender neutral terminology, the State Department says.
“The words in the old form were ‘mother’ and ‘father,’” said Brenda Sprague, deputy assistant Secretary of State for Passport Services. "They are now ‘parent one’ and ‘parent two.’"
- Yes back to the scare stories please. Wouldn't want to actually have to think about what just happened for too long.********
- long, it might damage your cause.********
- Yes back to the scare stories please. Wouldn't want to actually have to think about what just happened for too long.
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Yeah obviously none of this shit has an effect right? What a wacky idea, that anyone would think it was at all related!
Sorry but its pretty disingenuous to on one hand buy into all this political extremist rhetoric like some of you on this site, and then feign surprise and disbelief when someone snaps and acts out based on that.
Maybe I'm just a biased left-winger for thinking this, but it seems to me that when you convince yourselves and other people that a mainstream Democrat like Obama is somehow a Marxist "mass murderer" (like VikingKing here has called him) engaged in transforming America into a Communist dictatorship, and Tea Party politicians publish campaign flyers with rifle crosshairs over Democratic districts...well, what the fuck reaction do you expect?
So take some fucking responsibility I say. Either you continue the crazy rhetoric and accept the possibility of violence, or you back away from the ledge of the building and admit it was propaganda designed to increase cable news talk show ratings. But you can't have it both ways.
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And in case you are really wondering about Loughner, here is a group he posted several YouTube videos from.
Seems very "left wing" doesn't it? Uh...not so much.
- are u suggesting if its not left it right or jsut a mix?.********
- I'm sayin the idea he is far left like chilamont mentioned above is silly********
- so youre not suggesting tis right? have to be clear so peopel dont assume. i doubt it was as simple as left/right********
- chilamont could be wrong becuase it doesnt seem media based right/left motivated at all********
- but more a crime with deeper feelings of loneliness, ego, and seeing the world not fit into his ideal********
- but the kid is still a dumb fuck nutjob. probably thinks hes a martyr to inspire ppl to push what he thinks********
- Either way he was influenced by the anti-government conspiracy talk out there********
- are u suggesting if its not left it right or jsut a mix?.
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Hope is just as much a cancer as is bullseyes. Hope is liek christian propaganda. Have faith and all will be well all you have to do is give yourself to me, fear is the antithesis of it. Its logically the best counter action. They're both the means to the end of the same motive. Which is elect me. Motives are same just different packaging. You said it yourself Better, you don't think palin had any intention or GOP of trying to inspire killers. But you go on trying to insinuate they did. Now whos politically motivated?
Also it should be common sense that when u are in a position of authority tellign peopel how to live by your rules and regulations people get upset and violence is possible. And at the same time you can also spit propaganda to sway peopel to accept your rule or for ratings and money. Its not either or. Unless i misunderstood that part.
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I don't really get it, you're trying to say its all the same...hope, violent rhetoric, etc? That seems like an irrational conclusion to me. If people on TV and on radio are talking policy disagreement, its one thing. If they are talking hyperbole, Socialist takeover and violent revolution it's another. Of course it influences people. Pretty ridiculous to try and claim otherwise.
- yea it is all the same. Peddling 2 opposites for the same goal. The goal is whats important. Not how its peddled.********
- Huh? This is just common sense********
- yea it is all the same. Peddling 2 opposites for the same goal. The goal is whats important. Not how its peddled.
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And ultimately it comes down to...is any of the crap these people repeat all the time true? Do we need a violent revolution? Is Obama actually in the middle of enacting a Communist takeover? Are there death panels and death camps out there?
If so, revolution on. But if not, then STFU. Yeah, you got the right to say these things, but its delusional and irresponsible to keep repeating it all the time. You will give wackjobs like this Laughner guy the wrong idea.
- As u said no one is promoting a violent revolution. Or at least not their motives. But u cant control wackjobs. Look at hinkley********
- hinkley or any other nut who decides to kill with a irrational motive. nothign new barely news********
- No one promoting violence?...look at the imagery above and get back to me********
- u said they werent promoting violence but to rile voters above.********
- "No, of course not. Just dumb and irresponsible riling people up...which is the same as the whole Tea Party/ right wing"********
- Sure...which has the effect of making the occassional nut like Laughner snap and go out on a shooting spree********
- Doesn't matter their intention, they are misinforming people and radicalizing them********
- there intention is what matters. after all u have been suggesting motive this whole time********
- do u really think only one side of political spectrum uses hyperbole or other methods to keep their jobs********
- you have been tryign to radicalize agaisnt palin as a culprit of motive, but u dont buy it yourself..********
- Is massively obvious that it is far more prevalent on the right and even moreso with the recent Tea Party movement.********
- take a step back and see if what youre doing is any different********
- But if you are determined to ignore reality, then feel free to keep your head buried in the sand.********
- whether its more prevalent is of no importance to me. the motive is more important. and theyre the same. i find both methods disgusting********
- methods disgusting
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- im not ignoring anything. im explainging what you are ignoring********
- Try to use reason instead of making excuses...if people in the media are spreading hysteria and lies, of course it has an effect.********
- has an effect********
- On the other hand, if there's a rational, low-key dialogue going on, its unlikely to cause violence********
- Pretty simple really********
- As u said no one is promoting a violent revolution. Or at least not their motives. But u cant control wackjobs. Look at hinkley
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You think this shit doesn't have an effect on people?
Lots of people believe everything they read, watch and listen to these days.
- someone recommended this to me, still never watched this crap********
- someone recommended this to me, still never watched this crap
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Or how about this Zeitgeist movie that became so popular, which ends with the suggestion that the government wants to enslave us all with the mark of the Beast?
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On the level of theatre this clip is pretty entertaining, but then you realize millions of dumb shits out there actually walk away believing what he says.
This is currently the highest-ratest conservative political show.
- how many people walk away from obama rallying thinking healthcare is a right?********
- misinforamtion is relative to different beliefs and such. there is no "whole" right wrong answer********
- but his motives are definitley ratings pandering to what his viewers want. hes an entertainer********
- Which are two concepts which have a negative effect if you think about it********
- One that there is no concept of truth but everything is relative...so Obama could very well be a Fascist even though by any rational measure he's not********
- by any rational measure he's not********
- And the other that journalism exists only to entertain. So let's make it as hysterical and over the top as possible, after all that will get more viewers!********
- that will get more viewers!********
- or that knowing truth doesnt matter to the audience so sell what u want for ratings. doesnt have to be either or.********
- and the realitivty of an individual with idea like facist, left, right, socialist is part of the magic in entertaining********
- to insenuate soemthign without definign it, leaving the listener to aplly there own definition********
- ambiguity and being vague is a necessary tool in entertaining. look at how popular inception was********
- how many people walk away from obama rallying thinking healthcare is a right?
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How should one say anything if theyre responsible for how any nut jobs act or takes it? If you hold palin responsible then you might as well hold everyone responsible. Any democrat talking about immigration or healthcare. Personal responsibiltiy for ones own reactions is all their is. But you said u didnt think any GOP member was promoting or trying to inspire killer for their cause. Their intention is important. The intention of using a common sense approach to the marketing of the left to gain voter support. And yet you insenuate GOP is evil bastards trying to inspire killers..your using same methods to inspire fear when u know better. If someone kills a teaparty person or rightwing guy can i blame you for it?
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You don't seem to want to be convinced deathboy:)
All I can say is, there's a difference between disagreeing with someone honestly and criticizing them, which is what I'm doing, and attacking someone in the most hysterical, over the top way, even using violent imagery.
If we can't agree that those two approaches have a different effect, then I'm not gonna waste time on this argument, but I do think most people would agree with me. It doesn't add up to an intention to kill, but it is massively irresponsible and dangerous.
- i dont have a bias on truth. and i still see both methods being used for same motive. as u do.********
- and i cant say the effect they have on every individual. i do find both pandering to nonsense********
- and as such i find both a shame. rationality and reason doesnt apply in politics unfortunatly********
- Well whatever. I think you are creating a false equivalence in this attempt not to pass judgement.********
- if i gave that impression sorry i thoguht i was clear in that i dont blame the guys actions on anyone but him********
- i dont have a bias on truth. and i still see both methods being used for same motive. as u do.