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- ********0
As I post this, Obama is announcing new initiatives for the middle class, which he claims as "under assault". Under assault? Wtf does he mean?
What a total and complete jackass... I am sorry. I am \jst sick and tired of Obama's doom and gloom rhetoric.
- I can think of lost of examples how Obama's observation is true.Mimio
- Segmenting folks into "class" is soo lame... I mean, most of us start at the bottom and work our way up, right?********
- Lots*Mimio
- Now, if you're the lazy type, you stay at the bottom and SUCK off of Obama? Rich!!!********
- I am sorry I am just sick and tired of your doom and gloom rhetoric too.fooler2
- "Lost" really seems more appropriate though.********
- Many people do not start poor and work their way up, and it is often not a cause of personal failing.luckyorphan
- BonSeff0
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- version30
cnaps1970=40 yr old failure
- i mean when was the last time he/she were president?version3
- Nicely put, V3.luckyorphan
- OH CNAP!utopian
- ********0
- ********0
Just to prove you all wrong, I'm going to go ahead and do a bong ripper right now.
- ********0
"I am \jst sick and tired of Obama's doom and gloom rhetoric. "
HAHAHA! Fucking hilarious from a guy who represents a rump of the American electorate who "wants their country back" and is stockpiling weapons and ammo.
Your all rays of fucking sunshine.
- Are you serious? I've never even owned a gun?********
- But in all seriousness, Obama is so negative, it's almost unbelievable.********
- Dude, you've been negative on this guy' since day one. YOU are reeking of negativity.********
- I can accept that. But I'm just pissed that he's acting like such a goof. Why won't he just straighten up?********
- Are you serious? I've never even owned a gun?
- DrBombay0
Sumwurk, I hope you die penniless with a disease.
- why? i mean i rather we all be healthy and wealthy personallyversion3
- Group hug, V3. Me too.luckyorphan
- ********0
By the way Obama is simply wrong in his assessment that the middle class is currently under assault.
He is incorrect. The middle class has BEEN under assault for thirty years now and is essentially blown away at this point - you may thank Reagan, Bush 2 and Clinton and the giant corporate giveaway for that.
All the jobs have been shifted overseas, the banks laid a giant debt burden on the middle class just so they could take a cut of all the transactions for themselves, and now the Supreme Court handed control of any and all political narratives to your corporate masters.
It's basically all over but the shouting now and you all will be looking like peasants willing to kill each other over crumbs.
Sumwork, freed Mcwoozy, etc are the fronting scouts for the Fascist takeover. Of course, they love to scream about the "lefty threat" just like Mussolini and Hitler did.
That's not negativity, just the truth.
- ********0
DrBombay,
I can't take my money with me, right? It's also likely that I'll die of a disease (you too). In fact that would be better than dying suddenly while young, I think. Anyhow, I wish you nothing but the best, even though you are so nasty to me.
- ********0
The truth is that if you work hard in America you can prosper. If you choose to not work hard then it's likely that you'll stay in the middle-class (or lower). Some people work very hard but can never seem to climb the ladder. For whatever reason they are unable to get themselves out of a hole, I am sorry for this. But it's not their right or my duty to take care of them.
- * MAILTO: Obama********
- That is unfortunately, an oversimplification.luckyorphan
- * MAILTO: Obama
- PonyBoy0
'If you work really, really hard, and you're kind... Amazing things will happen to you.'
—CoCo- Amazing, of course, is not always a positive word. Car crashes and birth defects can be amazing.luckyorphan
- keep drinking from that half empty glass, lucky ;)PonyBoy
- lowimpakt0
This is the OECD view on the matter
"OECD’s Growing Unequal? finds that the economic growth of recent decades has benefitted the rich more than the poor. In some countries, such as Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, Norway and the United States, the gap also increased between the rich and the middle-class."
- lowimpakt0
"Countries with a wide distribution of income tend to have more widespread income poverty. Also, social mobility is lower in countries with high inequality, such as Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States, and higher in the Nordic countries where income is distributed more evenly."
so the "work hard to succeed" dream is generally a myth
- ukit0
Income inequality in the United States is at an all-time high, surpassing even levels seen during the Great Depression, according to a recently updated paper by University of California, Berkeley Professor Emmanuel Saez. The paper, which covers data through 2007, points to a staggering, unprecedented disparity in American incomes. On his blog, Nobel prize-winning economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman called the numbers "truly amazing."
Though income inequality has been growing for some time, the paper paints a stark, disturbing portrait of wealth distribution in America. Saez calculates that in 2007 the top .01 percent of American earners took home 6 percent of total U.S. wages, a figure that has nearly doubled since 2000.
As of 2007, the top decile of American earners, Saez writes, pulled in 49.7 percent of total wages, a level that's "higher than any other year since 1917 and even surpasses 1928, the peak of stock market bubble in the 'roaring" 1920s.'"
- accelerate this graph to cover day and it represents my stress levels caused by this threadversion3
- ukit0
So the top 10% of people in America now have half the money.
Yeah, no idea what Obama was talking about. I'm so insulted that he brought that up. What a goof!
- ********0
Wow, Version3...taking things a little to personal..whats the matter, mad you have scrape that obama, hope and change bumber sticker off your car...thats gonna take some time and effort.
you really should responded with some of obamas great achievements over the past year, that would have made more sense, put me in my place, rather than being nasty...ohhhhhhh thats right, obamas done nothing over the last year!!!!
so sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyy! now suck on your own failure, dooooooooooooooooshhhhhhhhh!!!!! when your done being angry go google obamas great acheivments from the best liberal site you can find, and copy and paste it and show me up...go ahead.....i'll wait...........................
- Mimio0
Kevin Philips has two really good books describing the class/economic disparity.
http://www.amazon.com/Wealth-Dem…
- version30
cnaps, personal? no. perspective? yes. i'd say in the scale of things he's accomplished more than this boards active members combined, that said, it's said to be the hardest job on the planet and within a year you can already call him a failure?
the man has brought a comradery among the people not seen since kennedy and was given the noble peace prize merely for doing so and in essence having the charisma to make a collective nation more optimistic.
i'm sure that supersedes that threesome you had in college with those drunk high school girls and the multiple checks i cash a week. in comparison, our successes are trivial compared to his.
cut the man some slack, jerk.
- Well, the first two paragraphs at least.luckyorphan
- sorry lucky, wacom got away from me :/version3
- eh...happens.luckyorphan
- mathinc0
Question: If you took all the money in this country and divided it between everyone equally, what do you think you would have in 10 years?
Answer: Wealthy and poor.
Sorry it's just human nature. Some people make good decisions and some make bad. Do you guys all torn up if you read a story about someone who had millions and then lost it making a stupid decision? I think we should all try and help less fortunate people who don't get to sit on their computers in a nifty design related message board all day. But this gov stealing from the wealthy concept is a bad idea. Anyone ever look at the poverty level over the last 60 or so years.. it's flat. Meaning government cheese doesn't really do much to improve the poverty situation.
I personally don't know a single person you would consider 'wealthy' who didn't start with absolutely nothing. Probably an anomaly, but still the thought that people can't work their way into a higher socio-economic position is complete bullshit.
- it's said to take 3 generations for it to redistribute againversion3
- Who is suggesting this?Mimio
- Look at the countries with the highest GDP per capita. tell me what their economic & taxation systems arelike.Mimio
- All I'm speaking of is human nature. I honestly, and sadly, don't have the time to research other countries GDP atm. :(mathinc
- And as far as 'suggesting this' I'm just saying in the most extreme case of wealth redistribution you'd have to acknowledge that I'm right. At leastmathinc
- agree that I'm right at least in the idea that over time classes are formed regardless of what you do to make it 'fair.'mathinc
- Do you always have to prop up your straw man before you speak?DrBombay
- I could see you having a mannequin that you carry around with you, to use the carpool lane.DrBombay
- Do you actually have anything to add that challenges my opinion?mathinc
- Maybe something you'd like to say which would cause you to use complete sentences and a well thought out response. Preferably devoidmathinc
- Show off your reading comprehension skills and grasp of concepts other than the ones you've been indoctrinated with?mathinc
- Your hypothetical makes no sense. You invent a nonexistent opponent and then battle them, everyday.DrBombay
- I'd be a nice change from this angry, petty persona you devolve into when you don't agree with someone.mathinc
- No one has proposed what you are saying here, you invent a concept, wack it out to extremes and then oppose it.DrBombay
- And then get pissed when people don't challenge you on it.DrBombay
- I guess your reading comprehension is still lacking, which is sad. Try and follow this logic. I KNOW no one is proposingmathinc
- proposing it (I already said that). What I'm illustrating is that even IF you did the most extreme type of wealth redistributionmathinc
- what you'd end up with is exactly the same thing we have now. My POINT is that there are and will always be, socio-economic classesmathinc
- classes. I never stated that anyone suggested this, I don't suggest that anyone else wants this, all this is is a hypothetical question.mathinc
- question that uses the concept of wealth redistribution in it's purest form and projecting it's outcome. Follow?mathinc
- What is the point of all of this?DrBombay
- You're a conservative, we get it. The Gov is "stealing from the wealthy"DrBombay
- You aren't wealthy...DrBombay
- So what that I'm not wealthy? That should change my opinion?mathinc
- You have what is known as "peasant mentality", don't upset your overlords. They create your reality.DrBombay
- Who's creating the strawman now?mathinc
- Besides, not to gloat, but I do actually pay a small fortune in taxes. If you were in that situation you'd probably feel a littlemathinc
- little bit more like I do. I actually work my ass off and make pretty decent money.mathinc
- You have no clue how much money I make, don't assume to.DrBombay
- "At all costs we must not impose any regulations on our financial overlords!"DrBombay
- I've assumed and you're right. But it makes sense considering your angry attitude towards success. Forgive me if I'm wrong.mathinc
- wrong.mathinc
- Ahhh more strawmen. Okay I can see this is going nowhere. I'm going to get back to my well paying project. :Dmathinc
- Enjoy any rebates or social programs you or the people close to you enjoy. You're welcome. No, don't thank me.mathinc
- Angry attitude towards success... Explain that with examples.DrBombay
- I love your assumptions. You are an extremely arrogant person. That is why I don't like you.DrBombay
- If I spent time finding all the 'rich people are assholes' examples then I wouldn't be able to contribute to the commonmathinc
- good. So no, I'd rather go ahead and work than play with you today.mathinc
- Has nothing to do with your politics. It is that arrogant attitude of superiority you exude.DrBombay
- You equate being rich with success. It shows how shallow you are yet again.DrBombay
- And you said yourself that you aren't rich. Have fun being a failure in your own eyes.DrBombay
- No, you don't like me because I'm smarter and better looking than you. Which isn't my fault you see. Luck of the Irish!mathinc
- I never said I was rich. I work hard and make pretty good money is what I said. And then I said I was good looking and smart.mathinc
- smart. Which is inconsequential but I still feel like it's somewhat relevant no? Maybe not. Maybe I just felt good saying it.mathinc
- So did you say that you disagree with the hypothetical Q&A? If so please tell me what you think would be the A to the Q.mathinc
- You could have a trillion bucks and you would still be a culture-less reactionary slob.DrBombay
- Wow, that's what you think of me? You know I invited you to have a phone conversation with me once, and that offer will always be yours for the acceptancemathinc
- always be yours for the acceptance. But it's clear you don't know who I am in the slightest. Likewise, I don't knowmathinc
- who you are either. But I wanted to find out. I tried. I put myself out there to have a friendly chat so we could get past all this pettiness.mathinc
- What's the point of that? Your libertarian/conserva... BS is all based on hypotheticals.DrBombay
- pettiness. It's what real people do. But you declined. So I'm the culture less slob? You can't even stand the thought of talking to me on the phone to resolve our differences, like cultured people?mathinc
- me on the phone to resolve our differences, like cultured people?mathinc
- There is no resolution, you love and value money more than anything on Earth.DrBombay
- It is all you ever talk about in this thread. You are all-consumed with money.DrBombay
- I think people with different ideologies can generally get along. Call me crazy or just call me. < thats a pick up line btw.mathinc
- Man honestly you know nothing about me if you think all I care about is money. That's just your excuse to hate me. Immature.mathinc
- I care about nothing but money...
*lights match and torches all the 'straw creatures'PonyBoy - Look at every post of yours in this thread and notice the common theme.DrBombay
- Rick, we do have something in common, I think we just created one of the longest comment strings on this site. Ever.mathinc
- No see you equate my position of the gov as a money issue, it's a power issue and way too complex to go into here.mathinc
- This we can agree on.DrBombay
- The longest notes, that is.DrBombay
- Which brings us full circle to your reading comprehension skill set. :Dmathinc
- I made you waste time by scrolling to see this.DrBombay
- DAMMMMNNN YOUUUUUU!!!!mathinc
- Wow. A thread within a thread. Impressive.luckyorphan
- first!version3
