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- blaw0
I was just saying that if you rely on the government or corporate world to make the right decisions you will do a shitty job raising humans.
- if that were the case we would all be chineseshinpo
- They don't seem to be doing too badukit
- 90 million citizens living in abject poverty is good?johndiggity
- eieio0
Yeah but its up to corporations and government to provide a variety of healthy options for people to make. You can't make good decisions if you aren't given them or have no idea you can.
- Dr_Sparkleshine0
When asked about it's environment, water would be the last thing a fish would identify, if at all.
Same for our society. If you can't see the shitty systemic choices most people have to chose between everyday, i.e. "lunch today? McDonald's or Taco Bell?"
So bravo for you, the person who isn't hip deep in a bad environment, anonymously on the internet who can easily say to the fat kid eating the ice cream "It's that parent's fault!"
e.g. of how the system is stacked against many people: http://trueslant.com/megancottre…
At the end of the day, that kid, and his friends..fat, diabetic ridden because they have the "free market" choice between various forms of shitty Big Agra subsidized corn syrup & byproduct full foods where they live and can afford are a burden to all of us - drains on the social fabric and dangerous vectors for disease to spread.
It's real, real easy to blame the parent. And not see the water in which they swim.
- Josev0
Boston Globe:
Push to curb credit-card rates fades --Democrats resist consumer outcry
http://www.boston.com/news/natio…"Efforts in Congress to cap credit-card interest rates are faltering because of opposition from Democrats and a lack of specific support from the White House, despite growing consumer outrage over a rush by banks to impose rates as high as 30 percent."
- I have 2k of business expenses on a Chase Card. The interest rate just jumped from 7.99$ to 25.99% this month. I've never missed a payment or paid late, and have near perfect credit. What BS. I'l be paying it off this month.Josev
- missed a payment or paid late, and have near perfect credit. What BS. I'l be paying it off this month.Josev
- I meant "7.99%"Josev
- i feel your pain man, same shit with BOABattleAxe
- shinpo0
^ from the same article
"During the 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama vowed to back a strict limit on credit-card interest rates. But the White House is not yet behind any particular plan this year. While Obama has chastised credit-card companies, his spokeswoman declined to say this week how he planned to follow through on his campaign pledge."
Our government is why the companies feel they can do whatever they want to the consumers. There is no one looking out for us except ourselves, but I thought that is what we elect officials for.
- i don't care what party you are both sides of our government suckshinpo
- johndiggity0
"By *universal agreement and practice* the law of war draws a distinction between the armed forces and the peaceful populations of belligerent nations7 and also between [317 U.S. 1, 31] those who are lawful and unlawful combatants. Lawful combatants are subject to capture and detention as prisoners of war by opposing military forces. Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful. The spy who secretly and without uniform passes the military lines of a belligerent in time of war, seeking to gather military information and communicate it to the enemy, or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents who are generally deemed not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but * to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals*. " pasted (for rick).
by this definition, ksm is declared an unlawful combatant. also "the laws of war", as defined by the geneva convention and the rule of law for courts such as the hague, is different than an act of war, as declared by the united states congress. the former, a framework with which to legislate international matters concerning conflict between nations, the latter being a largely formalized national declaration.
- That is interesting, I would like to know the legal precedent to prosecute in NY.IRNlun6
- Not that I accuse you of it but I find the reason for not prosecuting because our courts are incapable or secrets would be revealed is a poor excuse.IRNlun6
- ... be revealed.IRNlun6
- argg... is not a good reason.IRNlun6
- Not sure why you have such a problem with this. Many terrorists were tried in us courts.DrBombay
- And again, what war were we in when 9/11 happened? We weren't. So you are full of beans.DrBombay
- he already confessed to a military tribunal, just not sure why he needs to be tried in federal court.johndiggity
- What war were we in prior to 9/11?DrBombay
- What nation did we declare war on before Iraq?DrBombay
- what does this have to do with anything?johndiggity
- You should move to China where the government has no accountability. Sounds like you would diggit.DrBombay
- BonSeff0
corky break!
- johndiggity0
so the united states captures ksm in 2003 and holds him in gitmo for 4 years. in 2004 the us institutes a series of combatant status review tribunals to determine if those being held are correctly classified as enemy combatants.
an enemy combatant is defined as "any person in an armed conflict who could be properly detained under the laws and customs of war" which can be replaced by "party to the conflict" in the geneva convention.
the tribunal classifies ksm and others as "unlawful combatants." this is an important distinction because "unlawful combatants" are not afforded the same protections as "enemy combatants" under the geneva convention.
an "unlawful combatant" is defined as "a civilian who directly engages in armed conflict in violation of international humanitarian law (IHL) and may be detained or prosecuted under the domestic law the detaining state for such action."
in 2006 ksm is moved from gitmo, where he alleged he was tortured (waterboarded) and was told he would receive no lawyer and his family would be killed unless he cooperated.
in 2007 he and other confess to a military judge and ask to enter a guilty plea to masterminding the 1993 wtc bombing, 9/11, bali, and the shoe bomber, among others.
under us military law, the judge presiding over the tribunal can sentence him immediately (most probably death). and the us supreme court, the geneva convention, and historical precedent would support this.
instead he is to enter his guilty plea in a federal court in the state of new york where he is charged with 2,973 counts of murder. the federal prosecution is seeking the death penalty.
if you are the defendant's legal team: your defendant's right to miranda was revoked, he was threatened, tortured, and made to make statements under extreme duress. also, the trial is to take place in the same state as the attacks, so impartiality will be hard to come by.
there are so many things that could go wrong i just don't understand why they would try this man. i would not be surprised if he walks, or at the very least, ties this up in appeals until the end of time.
- Man you are really into this huh...I doubt it will effect any of us one way or the other in the long runukit
- Perhaps someone should have had the foresight to see that torture, or implied torture brings a lot of baggage.IRNlun6
- Regardless, this will not be the circus it's being portrayed as and much of those actions will not affect the prosecution.IRNlun6
- And where are these "rules of law" on the use of torture, which you don't seem to mention. Hmmm?Dr_Sparkleshine
- I think they are equally unlawful and that's why you don't want this heard in civilian courts...Dr_Sparkleshine
- ..because Bush and his Keifer "24" fantasies fucked the entire thing.Dr_Sparkleshine
- Of course, when us "libruls" warned about the illegality of torutre vis-a-vis the Geneva accords you told us to "fuck off, pussies"Dr_Sparkleshine
- So, now you fuck off, limp dick. Can't hide behind legalities when you flouted them in the past. Suck on that.Dr_Sparkleshine
- who the fuck are you talking to? this isn't about politics. get over yourself. no one takes you seriously.johndiggity
- ********0
this guy is a double speaker. He will tell you whatever you want to hear.I just don't understand how his supporters can not see through the manipulation...
Obama warns on US public debt pile
- Josev0
EXCLUSIVE: CIA Secret 'Torture' Prison Found at Fancy Horseback Riding Academy in Lithuania
- Dr_Sparkleshine0
I find it ironic and rather telling that the side that's waving the "laws of war" and "geneva conventions" around to support their political opinion about holding civilian trials for these terrorists also said "fuck the laws" to support the use of torture of the same group.
So fuck you you hypocrites.
- < Very funny "DrBombay".********
- < Way to have no fucking argument. die of cancer you fuckDr_Sparkleshine
- DrBombay=Dr_Sparkles...********
- Yeah, not really. I have nothing to hide you anonymous twat.DrBombay
- < Very funny "DrBombay".
- ********0
UKIT, you're such a fucking naive cocksucker. I can only laugh at you at this point.
- Again, with the cocksucking. the stink of latent unfulfilled man love is all over youDr_Sparkleshine
- ukit0
Did someone post something? *Checks ignore settings
- ukit0
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/…
Giuliani still wants to be president. I guess the fact that he won zero states in the 2008 primary didn't deter him.
- 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11Dr_Sparkleshine
- ********0
Who gonna' get THAT money?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico…
Congressional Democrats could be careening toward a head-on collision with the White House over $200 billion in leftover bailout money — money that Republicans think should simply be returned to taxpayers.
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Let's see what Barney boy says...? True colors shining through perhaps...?
- utopian0
India may get $1 billion in IT outsourcing contracts
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091…
God Bless America, and Wall Street Bailouts!
- Dr_Sparkleshine0
@utopian
Exactly. All these rubes getting fired up by Beck and "you betcha" Palin about one world government conspiracies and shit don't realize the game is fucking over already.
Money is already global. The big corporations can already do whatever they want and get these teabaggers to line the streets to make sure that they pay the minimum of taxes and have the maximum of liquidity and minimum of checks on their freedom across the entire globe with their capital.
It doesn't fucking matter what any government does anywhere, because they're all bought and sold and part of one global system already. The one world government with the black helicopters? Been here. For a longtime now.
Yet the rubes wave their little tea bags around thinking they have something approaching freedom while supporting policies that rob them of freedom at the expense of global capital markets.
These people are hurting because they are out of work, unemployed, hard up with medical bills, mortgages, etc. and the government (Republicans AND Democrats) hand trillions to Wall Street who then use that money to invest in a $1B jobs program for fucking INDIA because they can freely move the cash there and get more capital. "Free Market = One World Government", yet dipshits like AngryMob are protesting against "liberals" who have been trying to fight this beast for years now.
Whatever. Americans are fucking losers. Uneducated, blind fuckers.
The people of India thank the American Taxpayer and their ignorance. People of China too.
You go wave your teabag and demand the "freedom" for corporations to rob them and their children of their cash.
- DrBombay0
- The guy in the Steelers jacket is pricelesslocustsloth
- Of course you could produce the same thing at an Obama book signing too. Idiots don't adhere to just one partylocustsloth
- Life is like a box of chocolates...utopian
- 2:19 > GOP Goldutopian
- republicans are more closed minded and rigid than liberals though, admit it.DrBombay
- DittoheadsMimio
- Nixon and Reagan created the Czar thing btw.Mimio
- fascinating indeedRamanisky2
- a few dozen more reasons I moved out of Columbus Ohio.fooler2
- "Just like...you know...can't think of any specifics...ummm...b... she stands for what we believe in."
SWEET FUCK ALLBusterBoy - Scary...BusterBoy
- holy fuck shoot me********
- ********0
http://cohort11.americanobserver…
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