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- designbot0
Not sure where I stand...I've certainly been in the place of being harassed by jackass cops for no reason, so a part of me wonders what really happened here. One thing I know from experience, is that most cops have a huge ego problem, and if you stand up to them (even in a legal way within your rights) they don't take kindly to this and will usually find a way to charge you with something (legally or illegally) Another part of me wonders what this guy's attitude was, like "I'm a Harvard professor" ego.....something tells me this guy had a chip on his shoulder. Who knows. Calling a cop a "motherfucker" is warranted if they are one imho though. Especially if they are breaking the law themselves or going outside of their authority. Playing the race card is pretty lame though. Let's rise above that garbage, unless their is substantial evidence to say otherwise. Obama should have kept his mouth shut, since when does a the president of the United States comment on something like this without having all the facts? Just saying. Foolish mistake for him to first comment on it, then start talking about racial profiling. *facepalm
- I agree Obama shouldn't of gotten involved in a local matterTheBlueOne
- again I say that about Obama in context because his first words were "well I don't have ll the facts"designbot
- yeah seriouslydesignbot
- Obama should have said, 'I don't have all of the facts, so I cannot comment on the issue at this time'. end of story.bulletfactory
- yeah totally agree bulletfactory.designbot
- TheBlueOne0
Well, yeah, I agree in that we have no idea of what happened during the incident. My guess would be it does come down a clash of egos - that of a celebrated and respected Harvard professor in his own home and a cop having his authority questioned. I was just pointing out that in the media the same people who seem to support the right to defend your own property with violence from intrusion from authority are the same people who are saying re: this incident "Well this man called the cop a "motherfucker" and other bad words, so of course the cops actions are justified even if he was wrong." I find that, well, telling.
- yeah, cops are just humans. Once they are operating outside of their jurisdiction, I say anything goes. Of course the reality is that those who oppose law enforcement will always lose.designbot
- that those who oppose law enforcement will always lose. I guess some people think we somehow lose are rights when dealing with law enforcement.designbot
- dealing with law enforcement. i say BS.designbot
- ********0
You goddammed muthu-fuckin' punk-ass cracker jacks. You have no muthu-fuckin' idea of what was said or what transpired inside that Harvard professor's home. Tell your uncle tom president to shut the fuck up. He's the stupid mutha-fucker here. Even seems stupider than you little bitches.
- please don't reproduceGeorgesII
- ha.DrBombay
- LOLdesignbot
- "cracker jacks"?TheBlueOne
- DrBombay0
Gates broke no laws, you can't legally be arrested in your own home for disorderly conduct, you aren't in public. So Obama was right, the cop acted stupidly.
Should he have said anything? Probably not, but he was right.
- robotron3k0
fuckQBN, I sense anger in your words.
- TheBlueOne0
TheBlueOne "we have no idea of what happened during the incident."
designbot "Let's rise above that garbage, unless their is substantial evidence to say otherwise."
fuckQBN "You have no muthu-fuckin' idea of what was said or what transpired inside that Harvard professor's home."
fuckQBN - Restating the Obvious Proudly With No Clue To What It All Means Since 2009™
- TBO where's my 1995 Geo Tracker??robotron3k
- ahh man this is making me LOL :)designbot
- my eyes are all watery from laughingdesignbot
- It turned into a guitar.TheBlueOne
- are you some sort of warlock?DrBombay
- BonSeff0
"Even seems stupider than you little bitches."
Grammar much?- AT least he's passionate. I could almost feel the spittle form here..TheBlueOne
- DrBombay0
I really wish he would use the term "peckerwood" a bit in his rants. That was always my favorite racial epithet towards white people.
- TheBlueOne0
I had no idea that motherfucking was actually hyphenated.
*useless search through NYTimes style guide proves no help
- GeorgesII0
"You goddammed muthu-fuckin' punk-ass cracker jacks. You have no muthu-fuckin' idea of what was said or what transpired inside that Harvard professor's home."
* gets gangster tattoo
- IRNlun60
I see this as a perfect storm of two arrogant guys that wouldn't back down. I am assuming, but once the professor started getting angry and yelling at the cop in his home(front porch counts) the cops ego kicked in and he didn't want to be disrespected in front of his fellow officers. Hence, arrest. Sadly now this is all about racism, president answers a dumb question after an hour long speech on healthcare and now we have another freaking race issue. It's just two egotistical pricks that needed to be right.
General question, but after 9/11 and the passage of the patriot act, what exactly are our rights in this situation? On face value it doesn't look like the professor broke any laws.
- He didn't and charges were dropped.TheBlueOne
- So in essence, the cop acted "stupidly"DrBombay
- pretty much restating what everyone's said so far... great.IRNlun6
- designbot0
Way off topic I just watched this yesterday....it's the creators of the Loose Change documentary debating another guy on the supposed 911 cover up. He really puts these guys in their place imo. If anyone feels like discussing this ancient topic, curious where you all stand?
- September Clues is interesting for sure...robotron3k
- is that another documentary?designbot
- yes, http://video.google.…robotron3k
- I'll check it out, thanks.designbot
- It seems GW Bush's brother Marvin, installed video cameras in ALL the WTC towers?!robotron3k
- as well as United Airlines and Dulles International Airport.robotron3k
- I save discussions on this subject to in-person and after midnight with a mandatory bottle of scotch.TheBlueOne
- haha TBO, too bad I'm not in NYC...I'd take you up on that.designbot
- haaa!!!!robotron3k
- GeorgesII0
You and Me, Fuck QBN
- CrackerBlack™designbot
- BlackerJack™TheBlueOne
- Jungle Fever Two ?BattleAxe
- robotron3k0
woah what the....?!
- Josev0
This is an interesting take on the Gates thing:
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/…
"Notably, Crowley invited Gates to follow him, thereby setting him up for a disorderly conduct charge. "I told Gates that I was leaving his residence and that if he had any other questions regarding the matter I would speak with him outside the residence," Crowley writes. He claims "my reason for wanting to leave the residence was that Gates was yelling very loud and the acoustics of the kitchen and foyer were making it difficult for me to transmit pertinent information to ECC or other responding units." But instead of simply leaving, Crowley lured Gates outside, the better to create a public spectacle and "alarm" passers-by. The subtext of Crowley's report is that he was angered and embarrassed by Gates' "outburst" and therefore sought to create a pretext for arresting him."- Cop 101. If they think their authority is being tested they find a pretext to arrest you.TheBlueOne
- Fuck the the both of you two-balled-bitches. You don't know jack mutha-fuckin' shit.********
- Haha..you're even funnier when you take pride in your ignorance...TheBlueOne
- I know that I live across the river from Cambridge, and lived in the city for 5 years.Josev
- I also know that the many of police in Cambridge act like hard-ass jerks and run around that city like a bunch of stormtroopers.Josev
- stormtroopers.Josev
- bliznutty0
i hate to post this b/c it makes me ill
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/25…
- TheBlueOne0
Re: Arrest and police discretion. Since Mr. FuckQbn implied "you don't know what the mutha-fuck u tAlK about!!" How about the words of an actual beat cop from Baltimore, Peter Moskos, who wrote a book about it, "Cop in the Hood'* (Mr. FuckQBN is free to contact officer Moskos to call him a "mutha-fucker no-nuthin'" at his own discretion of course).
In the chapter about cops using "extralegal" discretion, he explains the old technique of getting someone out of there home when they are agitated for the sole purpose of arresting them on a disorderly conduct charge. Officer Moskos:
"A nonviolent domestic dispute serves as another example of using the law to gain extralegal authority. A woman calls police because she is sick of her baby’s father coming home and being rowdy after a night of drinking. An officer wants the drunken man to spend the night elsewhere. The girlfriend is not afraid of the man. Though the officer believes this argument will continue and perhaps turn violent, there is no cause for arrest. Police may not order a person from his or her home. But an officer can request to talk to the man outside his house. At this point the officer might say, “If you don’t take a walk, I’m going to lock you up.’ The man, though within his rights to quietly reenter his house and say goodnight to the police, is more likely to obey the officer’s request or engage the police in a loud and drunken late-night debate. The man may protest loudly that the officer has no reason to lock him up. If a crowd gathers or lights in neighboring buildings turn on, he may be arrested for disorderly conduct."
Huh. Now let's look at the Gates situation. Here is Officer Crowley's statement:
"When I left the residence, I noted that there were several Cambridge and Harvard University police officers assembled on the sidewalk in front of the residence. Additionally, the caller, Ms. Walen and at least seven unidentified passers-by were looking in the direction of Gates, who had followed me outside the residence. As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk, Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him. Due to the tumultuous manner Gates had exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention both of the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gates’ outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from their carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me. It was at this time that I informed Gates that he was under arrest."
*Slides book back on shelf.
*fuckQBN can now go back to watching WWF to learn how the world "works", I mean after he sucks my motherfucking leftist dick
*http://www.amazon.com/gp/produc...
- GeorgesII0
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- Josev0
Regarding the Gates matter:
Duran v. City of Douglas, 904 F.2d 1372 (9th Cir. 1990)
""[T]he First Amendment protects a significant amount of verbal criticism and challenge directed at police officers." Hill, 482 U.S. at 461, 107 S.Ct. at 2509. The freedom of individuals to oppose or challenge police action verbally without thereby risking arrest is one important characteristic by which we distinguish ourselves from a police state. Id. at 462-63, 107 S.Ct. at 2510. Thus, while police, no less than anyone else, may resent having obscene words and gestures directed at them, they may not exercise the awesome power at their disposal to punish individuals for conduct that is not merely lawful, but protected by the First Amendment."
- can't argue w/that... plus once the guy cop had the info he was Gates... should have been the end. in one ear - out the other!PonyBoy
