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Per TBO's post:
As EFF's Kevin Bankston puts it:
This is the first time [the DOJ] claimed sovereign immunity against Wiretap Act and Stored Communications Act claims. In other words, the administration is arguing that the U.S. can never be sued for spying that violates federal surveillance statutes, whether FISA, the Wiretap Act or the SCA.
- And that's a load of bad juju.TheBlueOne
- Our collective hard-drives are at risk.********
- TheBlueOne0
Well, this is f**king sobering:
"Often cited comparisons – which look only at the US – find that today’s crisis is milder than the Great Depression. In this column, two leading economic historians show that the world economy is now plummeting as it did in the Great Depression; indeed, world industrial production, trade and stock markets are diving faster now than during 1929-30. Fortunately, the policy response to date is much better."
- I'm planting some legumes later today. Freedom Garden here I come! hehetommyo
- Also:
http://www.anewwayfo…TheBlueOne - that's the ticketBattleAxe
- BattleAxe0
you want the "crisis" to end, the meida just has to start saying it is over
and people will eat it up- not sure it is quite that simple.DrBombay
- Wow. Thanks. That's the most moronic thing I've read today.TheBlueOne
- I think they tried that last week by the way..."wall street up!" "We're at bottom!"...TheBlueOne
- ..seems all the unemployed people and the huge declining manufacturing orders disagreed.TheBlueOne
- people loose jobs, people stop buying cause they are told to save , it is all Control of the masses , that is allBattleAxe
- if there is a crisis, it is a crisis of big business, and this would destroy the USA?, pleaseBattleAxe
- You're funny.TheBlueOne
- wow.DrBombay
- battle i agree - more cheerleaders, ppl will stop hoarding, start spending, economy will start up againmegE
- is it really that crazy , how else would we have known there was a crisis to begin withBattleAxe
- if it was not blurted out all over the Media?BattleAxe
- probably when I started having every friend and family member losing their jobs. That was a big indicatorDrBombay
- designbot0
@tommyo I'm planting some stuff as well. Trying to get a small garden going on the side of my house with tomatoes/carrots/lettuce. I just have to wait for that last snow fall so I can plant these suckas.
Even if we weren't in a serious recession, it makes alot of sense. A package of seeds cost like $1-$2, and will produce year after year. Shoot, one tomato almost costs that much. Anyone else getting into this?
- have been, lots of Fruit trees mainlyBattleAxe
- You can also buy ready-to-plant that get you going pretty good. I buy young vegis plants for $1-$3.********
- Colorado has tons of sunlight, but almost no moisture....so growing anything can be a challenge.designbot
- nice, I'm not alone. GetRefresh, I'll have to check those out...good idea thanks :)designbot
- I will have a massive garden this year. Asparagus beans, bitchesDrBombay
- nice, fresh green beans are the bomb.designbot
- onions go in this weekend I think. hundred bulbsDrBombay
- I love onions as well. Damn, you have a huge yard?designbot
- just taking out a bunch of flowers from last year and replacing with vegDrBombay
- My uncle is crazy dr. green thumbDrBombay
- that's cool, it's a rare breed these days.designbot
- I've been growing tomatoes for a couple years now. They really love it here in Cali. When I was in Vegas, not so much.tommyo
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... and it too the President how many days to visit the troops? Whatever.
- first this is first, Money issues, then life issuesBattleAxe
- *first thing firstBattleAxe
- ... my vote is life before money.********
- I vote you go back to fucking guatemala.DrBombay
- your idiotic ass was fucking SILENT during the entire Bush presidency, SILENT. shows your mentality.DrBombay
- I wasn't here then (sadly)... duh!!!********
- robotron3k0
I've heard about and am interested in this Upside Down Tomato Garden
- cooldesignbot
- saves space, looks fierce.robotron3k
- fierce, huh dino? snaps fingers :DDrBombay
- Do your tomato worms get dizzy?tommyo
- ha!robotron3k
- ukit0
Limbaugh gets pwned by one of his own listeners
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Obama is proving to be worth less than excrement. Really now.
- ukit0
The president's new science adviser said Wednesday that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth's air.
John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.
"It's got to be looked at," he said. "We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table."
Holdren outlined several "tipping points" involving global warming that could be fast approaching. Once such milestones are reached, such as complete loss of summer sea ice in the Arctic, it increases chances of "really intolerable consequences," he said.
Twice in a half-hour interview, Holdren compared global warming to being "in a car with bad brakes driving toward a cliff in the fog."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20…
My question - if this is such a radical emergency, why is it not being discussed? Obama barely mentioned global warming during the campaign except in passing.
- Anyone who believes this sensationalism needs to read up on Global Warming.designbot
- It's one thing to believe that mankind has somehow impacted the climate by a degree or two over the last several decades...it's another to get in panic modedesignbot
- decades....it's another to think that the earth is doomed if we don't take immediate action.designbot
- you mean global cooling...robco
- KwesiJ0
hey remember the "green house effect"? neither does anyone else its all "global warming",.. kind of leaves out the cause and effect part. obama didn't run on the issue because its not exactly politically expediant, how can win on something that everyone s eing made to THINK is a 'myth' and 'anti-economy'.
- How exactly are people "being made to think it's a myth"?? And is this true for the scientists who oppose Global Warming?designbot
- its called propaganda, just watch how fox and cnn talk about itKwesiJ
- It's called conflicting evidence. You make it seem as though it is a fact, when indeed the evidence is open for discussion.designbot
- I don't doubt FOX/CNN may be biased towards a certain view, but there is another side to it (which they happen to represent)designbot
- there isn't any real science saying man made global warming isn't happening periodKwesiJ
- A few GOP scientists and Fox News deny the global warming is real, that's your conflicting evidence.********
- yeah exactly gheyboyKwesiJ
- :]KwesiJ
- KwesiJ0
real scientists have been researching the causes and lobbying governments to do something about pollution for DECADES because of the green house effect. there's been exceedingly little on the 'non man made global warming' beyond news editorials and big oil funded papers that have only really sprouted up in numbers recently. I mean you can't really 'oppose global warming' then tell the world its not real if there wasn't something pretty substantial already going on and being discussed.
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Why does Exxon need to pay scientists if the evidence is out there that it isn't caused by burning fossil fuels?
- DrBombay0
http://www.guardian.co.uk/enviro…
Why would a company need to do this?
- DrBombay0
I would really like an honest response to the above from a denier. Why would a company have to have their lobbying arm pay scientists and economists to deny global warming if it were still up for debate?
- BonSeff0
yes, the maths doesn't add up, i want more informations
- designbot0
Hey Dr.B In the above article I don't see any cited sources that actually lend credit to this article being legit. As far as I am concerned it can fall wayside as "conspiracy theory" unless this information like "the AEI has received more than $1.6m from ExxonMobil" can actually be solidified somehow.
Having said that, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was legit. When you say "Why does Exxon need to pay scientists if the evidence is out there that it isn't caused by burning fossil fuels?" You have a valid argument there if this indeed did happen...but remember there is no way to prove it one way or the other. Scientists are studying the available information and deriving conclusions from that information. Some think there is no question that the climate is indeed rising as a direct result of humans carbon emissions, while other scientists are saying that the earth is on a constant natural cycle of heating up and cooling down. In the grand scheme of things, over 95% of total CO2 emissions would occur even if humans were not present on Earth. That fact alone to me is pretty astounding and makes me wonder if we humans are a bit arrogant in thinking we have such a major impact on the earth.
Please don't misinterpret my stance. I am completely for things like recycling, less pollution, and just generally taking care of the earth. I think the drive to be "green" can certainly (and already has) sparked some amazing innovations that we may have never seen otherwise. I am personally very interested in solar power (living in Colorado where the sun shines more than Cali) and may even pursue this as a career or business. I simply question the need to rush in and make radical changes and quick decisions when science seems conflicted on the evidence. Kwesij was saying above that there is mass propaganda to sway people into thinking global warming is a myth, but coming from the other side I personally see it the exact opposite. I think the propaganda is on the other side. Interesting how we see it the exact opposite. Guess it shows we all have some degree of bias.
- a) science is not conflicted
b) "positive feedback loops" are a bitchTheBlueOne - Please show me solid evidence to support "a".designbot
- Not going to waste my time. Been around this merry go round on the internet a zillion times.TheBlueOne
- If you're interested in hearing the other side, here's a good listen:
http://www.electricp…TheBlueOne - it happened.DrBombay
- http://www.treehugge…DrBombay
- http://www.portfolio…DrBombay
- thanks for posting this...I'll read it later (when I'm not at work that PDF is hella long :)designbot
- a) science is not conflicted
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Global warming cannot yet be confirmed, nor denied. Science says so. Therefore, the final verdict is still to be realized.
- Thanks for doing your bit in keeping America dumb.TheBlueOne
- ukit0
I for one, am not yet convinced about this "round Earth" theory I keep hearing about. It cannot yet be confirmed or denied.
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