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- designbot0
The way I see it this is just one of the many problems with emissions testing. Think of it this way, if these cars that are actually not polluting, will not pass emissions...most of them will probably end up being junked instead of used...which in the end is far worse for the environment.
I am sure there are many other examples of problems like this too, only a good idea on paper imo.
- ukit0
I'm sure there will be problems, but I don't see how you get the carmakers from A to B without mandating it....where is "the market" when it comes to this stuff?
- designbot0
Yeah, I def see what your saying. To me it boils down to people putting their money where their mouth is so to speak. If everyone is indeed as concerned about global warming as the media would like us to believe, then people should be jumping at the opportunity to help the situation.
- At the very least I hope it will drive some real innovation....that would be awesome for the US.designbot
- ********0
"Greed is Good" - W.
- ********0
The mother of notorious cult leader David Koresh was stabbed to death in Texas on Friday - and her sister is the alleged killer.
Bonnie Halderman, 60, who wrote an autobiography in 2007 about raising Koresh, was found dead at her sister's home in a rural area near Chandler, Tex. Beverly Clark, 54, charged with murder, has been ordered held without bond pending a court appearance this week, authorities said.
- TheBlueOne0
And there goes another 27,000 jobs so far today...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090…
Meanwhile the paper/magazine industry continue to spiral the drain:
- DrBombay0
//But there should be no government handouts. None at all, it is all these people's faults that they were let go by their employers. They need to re-train and learn new skills, like how to steal cars and rob liquor stores.
- TheBlueOne0
I see. So we had to give huge amounts of public money to these sharks so they could, you know lend it out to people. Oh but, golly gee, they just hoarded the money. <snark>No one saw that coming.</snark>
Not sure why you guys are so adamant against nationalizing these broken institutions for a set amount of time. It's happened before, it'll happen again. It won't break capitalism you know. It's broken as is.
And as Mr. Evans-Pritchard it's 1931. 1933 is around the corner.
- lowimpakt0
if anything this mess is highlighting the many false assumptions that people live with.
I'm still not sure why we are asking those who created the mess to fix it.
- lowimpakt0
if anything this mess is highlighting the many false assumptions that people live with.
I'm still not sure why we are asking those who created the mess to fix it.
- That was so correct it needed to be posted twice.TheBlueOne
- That was so correct it needed to be posted twice.lowimpakt
- You're right, I don't know why we expect government to fix the problem they created. :)tommyo
- TheBlueOne0
And to the 27,000 listed a few posts up let's add 10,000 more. So we're up to 37,000 new job losses announced today:
- tommyo0
Q: "Not sure why you guys are so adamant against nationalizing these broken institutions for a set amount of time."
A: "Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program."
For fucks sake you think our government can run the banks better than corporations can? I know lately that answer might be debatable but I can't see a single plus side to gov run finances. Just look at how these jackholes handle the economy now! I can't wait until the inflation bus comes roaring around the bend from this latest 'great idea'...the mist of green printing ink will still be in the air when poverty levels rise 3 fold.
- Very evocative, you should write novelsukit
- Either nationalize or let them fail...but this bullshit middle way is crap.TheBlueOne
- I agree with that.tommyo
- BattleAxe0
so 2 mil can swarm the Capital to clap in Change, but wont budge to make change happen , so till a massive uproar happens , we all eat it
- DrBombay0
but even when poverty levels rise three fold it will be the bums' faults that they are out of work, right? No govbernment handouts at all, ever.
- Yeah that's what I said. And no, it will be government and corp fault imo. You can't expect this much new money to enter thetommyo
- system and not see economic repercussions. Fact is, our government won't even have the ability to help your downtommyo
- trodden 'bums.' How will you feel about that?tommyo
- I am not the one who said that it is the individual's fault for years.DrBombay
- You're like a girlfriend I once had. It's black or white with you. I never said that all people faced with hardship are at faulttommyo
- big business can fix everything.DrBombay
- You're a fucking idiot sometimes. Keep putting words in my mouth jackass.tommyo
- that is what your mantra has been for as long as I have known you.DrBombay
- TheBlueOne0
72,000 so far announced today:
Caterpillar 20,000
Sprint 8,000
ING 7,000
Philips 6,000
Corus 3,500
Wolseley 7,500
Home Depot 7,000
Pfizer 13,000
- TheBlueOne0
@Tommyo's note above: The government "created" this by not doing the work of a reasonable government - letting the banking industry regulate itself and looking the other way. Sure, the Fed Reserve pushed interest rates to a ridiculously low level, but last I cheked the Fed is a private institution that arguably pulls governments fiscal policy strings and decidedly not the other way around.
Why not nationalize the banks? At least that way their might be some small measure of accountability to the voters. As it as, can you or I or any Private Q. Citizen walk into the Fed and tell these rich masters of the universe to fuck off? Not so much.
- lowimpakt0
ok. scenario.
new island is found. there is no government, infrastructure (roads, street lights etc.), financial infrastructure, education system, health system, legal and regulatory frameworks (environmental, social, industrial etc), security systems, social services for young or old, trade associations with international partners, culture, sport, etc etc
how would collections of private enterprises that are legally mandated to maximise profit for their shareholders go about forming a society?
- tommyo0
TBO,
Show me where the government has had accountability to voters. What was the ratio of people who didn't want the last bailout? Wasn't it 11 to 1. Where has government cared about what the voters want?
Furthermore, the way government comingles funds is crazy. California State Lottery was designed to help the failing schools, that's how it was sold to voters. It doesn't, our schools are in the crapper. Funds diverted. Cigarette taxes were sold as a way to help hospitals, because, you know, smokers will cause a strain on hospitals because of their poor health so we need to tax them. Funds diverted. Hospitals are closing. Now Arnold wants to tax veterinary care to cope with our budget crisis. Last year it was a proposed tax raise on soda and potato chips. All this while government in California has doubled in size in the past 10 years. Where do think that gov is some rational body of individuals? Maybe we have it worse here or something but, imagine the bureaucracy and waste that will come along with nationalization. I'd rather have 1 really greedy person at the very top than hundreds of incompetent bureaucracies throughout.
Honestly, nationalizing the banks = doom.
- Well, we'll have to agree to sort of disagree my friend.TheBlueOne
- it has already been done, tommy.DrBombay