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- tommyo0
Government shouldn't be involved in any of this. Not banking, not healthcare, not automotive and they're continually getting more and more incorporated with industry and social needs while laws make it harder for individuals to succeed. I can see why terms like Communism and Socialism are thrown around. If we continue down this path then those terms are going to get more and more real.
- Tommy, I love you man, but wake up. governments and industry always work together.TheBlueOne
- I agree. It's scares me, especially the social needs aspect of it all.********
- From Rome to Babylon to London to NY...always, at all times.TheBlueOne
- You think what we've witnessed over the last 6 months is 'normal.' This is precedence setting involvement.tommyo
- Insuring that a company can't fail. Pushing them into stupid practices so they aren't stable. Giving them blank checks whentommyo
- they do fail. This is insane, and I understand why people are getting nervous and saying Communism/Socialismtommyo
- At what point does is a socialistic society established? Communistic? Where do we draw the line?********
- When TBO says so.tommyo
- muahahahahahhahahaha...tommyo
- designbot0
The killer in these bailout plans is that we all will be the ones paying for them. If it were not disguised as it were, and advertised as a huge tax increase for all Americans, I think people would be outraged. Just wait until the market "catches up" with the amount of fake money being injected into it....when you have to pay $10 for a cup of coffee because the dollar is worthless and inflation is through the roof. Then think to yourself, YOU are the one paying for and bailing out these irresponsible F*kers.
Sure it might seem like a good idea to some people now, but wait until the smoke clears and the government owns the banks and your house.
- On this we agree. The fallout on the dollar is going to be fucking evil.TheBlueOne
- * Gives TBD high-five :)designbot
- The hidden tax is definitely going to be brutal after pumping this much fresh cash into the system.tommyo
- TheBlueOne0
"Libertarianism" is as much a fantasy world as Marxism is. It's a map that barely reflects the actual territory; that's you know "the real way things work" if only the pesky people could get out of the way. And that's why you cats get so passionate about it...defenders if unrealistic ideologies always do.
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A Libertarian Defense of Social Conservatism
http://www.americanthinker.com/2…
Just think for a moment about the things you are actually forced to do or are prevented from doing. Seat belts. Motorcycle helmets. Bicycle helmets. Smoking. Gun purchase and ownership restrictions. Mandatory vaccines for your children. Car emissions inspections. Campaign ad and contribution restrictions. Saying a prayer at a public school graduation or football game. Trash separation and recycling. Keeping the money you earned. Gas tax. Telephone tax. Income tax. FICA withholding. Fill in this form. Provide ID.For the most part, the list just cited is post-1960. Neither Pat Robertson nor James Dobson ever forced any of that on us.
- BattleAxe0
the bail out and the hush hush has to be unconstitutional I mean Section 9 - Limits on Congress
"No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time."
- tommyo0
The Constitution was written so that we're all as equal as possible. If I kill someone, I should get the same punishment as a CEO of a multinational corporation who kills someone. Of course there are little advantages someone with resources will have over someone without but for all intentions, we're equal.
These bailouts on the other hand go against that very principle. We've got companies, chosen by our government, who are deemed 'too big to fail.' They screwed up. They didn't do the right things and now they pay no price for their misdeeds. Well, except that now the least successful company on earth gets to help run them, The US Government. But back to my point, what about the companies that could buy these failing companies, run them more efficiently or innovate them back into the black? What about the companies who aren't getting bailed out but still stand to reap the negatives of this whole debacle. This bailout is wildly overstepping the boundaries government was entrusted with. It negates the tools of Capitalism and destroys the natural process of how a capitalist society deals with success and failure. While at the same time it places government squarely in the middle, only this time it's not for regulatory purposes, it has a stake in THAT company's success at the contrast failure of THAT company's competition.
Where is the constitutional fear in this scenario? It leaves zero ability for the government to treat companies equally - well, you know, until they double and triple check that the interests of Company A don't impede on the interests of Governmental Backed Company B.
I do see the logical steps of how communism blossoms - how they can now sell this scenario into one of overarching public protectionism. Can't wait to read this headline 'US Gov Now Majority Stockholder in Citibank Corp.' It's really not that far of a reach to think that this could happen considering the course we've been put on over the last 4 months.
- ********0
Die america, die already
Everyone who can afford is going to move to canada or to europe
With the rest its gonna be like NJ hurricane, empty ghost towns, black people looting stores -- all in a 2 years time
- tommyo0
“Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live at the expense of everyone.”
“Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim - when he defends himself - as a criminal.”
“The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.”
“Often the masses are plundered and do not know it.”
“And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty;”
- Frederic Bastiat
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Holy Land Foundation defendants guilty on all counts
http://www.dallasnews.com/shared…After more than 15 years of investigation and two trials, the Holy Land Foundation and five of its former organizers were found guilty of illegally funneling more than $12 million to the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.
- DrBombay0
Fuck off Miss.
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Obama's one-trick wizards
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Glo…
Investment banks were levered long the leverage, so to speak. The more leverage the world demanded, the more Wall Street could charge for ever-more-arcane methods of packaging leverage, and the higher the returns to leverage providers.That explains how a Washington political operative like Rahm Emanuel, now Obama's chief of staff, who studied ballet rather than balance sheets, could earn a reported $16.2 million in two-and-a-half years at Wasserstein Perella, the mergers and acquisitions boutique. At the height of the bubble, Bruce Wasserstein's firm sold out to Germany's Dresdner Bank for the fairy-tale sum of $1.6 billion. Even the crumbs from Wasserstein's loaf could make a Chicago politician rich.
- ********0
Another Tax Issue Surfaces for Rangel
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/2…Awesome watchdog site: http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/…
- ukit0
Colmes to leave Hannity & Colmes
http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes.c…
Guess they won't be "fair and balanced" anymore!
- If they want to keep the same format, they'll have to bring someone in comparable. I'm sure they can dig someone up********
- If you wanted to call Colmes a 'liberal' ... my grandma loves that show and she always bitches about how 'stupid'tommyo
- Colmes is. I always try to tell her that he's just a patsy, but she feels more comfortable thinking he's legit.tommyo
- If they want to keep the same format, they'll have to bring someone in comparable. I'm sure they can dig someone up
- TheBlueOne0
Considering Japan always runs about a few minutes into the future faster than here in the States, here's something we can be looking forward to:
"More senior citizens are picking pockets and shoplifting in Japan to cope with cuts in government welfare spending and rising health-care costs in a fast-ageing society.
Criminal offences by people 65 or older doubled to 48,605 in the five years to 2008, the most since police began compiling national statistics in 1978, a Ministry of Justice report said.
Theft is the most common crime of senior citizens, many of whom face declining health, low incomes and a sense of isolation, the report said. Elderly crime may increase in parallel with poverty rates as Japan enters another recession and the budget deficit makes it harder for the government to provide a safety net for people on the fringes of society."
- tommyo0
^^ Exactly the reason why we can't allow government to be responsible for our health and general well being.
- +1********
- Um, want to look how many elderly were fucked before Social Security?TheBlueOne
- That's not what I'm saying. Imagine when we're all getting our health care from the government??? Scary!!tommyo
- And I can't wait to live under the Social Security burden of 2015 on. Isn't it going to be great?!?!?! MMMM Utopia.tommyo
- +1
- ********0
Bush Pardons 14, Commutes 2 Prison Sentences
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecov…- Why not Duke Cunningham, Vietnam war ace? At least he fought.********
- Why not Duke Cunningham, Vietnam war ace? At least he fought.
- TheBlueOne0
http://www.cnbc.com/id/27835645
"It's not preferable, but all major U.S. financial companies will eventually be under government control because the alternative is so much worse, Hugh Hendry, chief investment officer at hedge fund Eclectica Asset Management, said Friday.
"All financials will be owned by the U.S. government in a year," Hendry said. "I bet you."
I love how quickly these giants and wizards of wall street turn socialist.
- I agree. It amazes me.********
- it only amazes me a little nowBattleAxe
- I agree. It amazes me.
- ********0
Sarkozy: Obama an empty suit on foreign policy
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/…Sarkozy has made his criticisms only in closed forums in France. But according to a senior Israeli government source, the reports reaching Israel indicate that Sarkozy views the Democratic candidate’s stance on Iran as “utterly immature” and comprised of “formulations empty of all content.”
- so now you value the opinion of the french?DrBombay
- who the hell is Sarkozy himself? deeply unpopular in France
zaq - It's interesting that Obama played JFK, galavanting through the EU, when in reality they respect him not********
- what do they think of Bush? What difference has it made?DrBombay
- To a certain extent, I would think they knew what to expect of Bushie********
- When you stop being full of shit, let me know.TheBlueOne
- Hmm.. do I sense a bit of irritation with Sarkozy? can't take criticism of your wonderboy?********
- you are the only one who calls him that...DrBombay
